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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:34 AM
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To win the GE, Obama needs Kerry states plus these four states---IA, NM, NV, CO---or OH (Updated)
Edited on Thu May-29-08 11:30 AM by ProSense
How easy is it? Consider that Gore won IA and NM, and then look at the vote margins:

Bush 286, Kerry 252

If Obama wins these four states (with 26 electoral votes), and the results will be: 260 (R), 278 (D)

Iowa: Bush by 10,000 votes (7)
New Mexico: Bush by 6,000 votes (5)
Nevada: Bush by 21,000 (5)
Colorado: Bush by 100,000 (9)


Add Ohio to the above, and the results will be: 240 (R), 298 (D)

Ohio: Bush by 118,000 (20)


In 2000, Gore lost Ohio (by 176K) and NH, but won New Mexico (370 votes) and Iowa (4K votes)

Bush 271, Gore 266


If Florida had gone to Gore (+1,000 votes), it would have been:

Bush 246, Gore 291

2000 and 2004 maps


Hillary's camp pushing her electability based on electoral vote projections is simply bogus. They're also ignoring the dynamics of the two previous elections: The selection process that gave the election to Bush in 2004, and the tampering and vote suppression that impacted the 2004 result. With more than 120 million votes cast, the election could have easily gone the other way based on less than 100K votes.

Updated:

The "Told You So" Calculation

May 29, 2008 11:59 AM

"Have you seen the general election polls lately?" Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, asks in a new email fundraising pitch. "They consistently show that we'll beat John McCain in November. In a national head-to-head match and in the critical swing states, the numbers show I'm the best candidate to take back the White House for Democrats. That is why it's critical that we stay in this race and keep fighting for every last vote. We can win the nomination if we extend our popular vote lead, and that means putting everything we have into the final races. With just a few days before the voters in Puerto Rico head to the polls, our campaign is working hard -- and your support is making the difference."

Chris Cillizza at The Fix postulates that Clinton and her husband "seem to be laying the groundwork -- whether unconsciously or consciously -- to go back to Democratic voters if Barack Obama comes up short in November with a very concise message: 'Told you so.'"

Cillizza notes that Clinton herself in that Argus Leader editorial board meeting said she found calls for her to drop out "curious because it is unprecedented in history. I don't understand it and between my opponent and his camp and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this and you know historically that makes no sense, so I find it a bit of a mystery."

Bill Clinton over the weekend, noting the electoral math arguments we've pointed out before (most significantly that Clinton out-polls Obama significantly in Florida and Ohio), said "she is winning the general election today and he is not, according to all the evidence. And I have never seen anything like it. I have never seen a candidate treated so disrespectfully just for running."

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edited title to make sense and for clarity.


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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:38 AM
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1. VA, too! nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:31 AM
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15. Strong possibility. n/t
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:42 AM
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2. If all of the elligible voters who want to vote are allowed to,
Big O landslide, collecting Kerry states plus OH, NM, CO. IA and VA are maybes, MO and NV doubtful.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:53 AM
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6. IA is a good bet, it was close in 2004 and Gore won it in 2000.
Edited on Thu May-29-08 10:56 AM by ProSense
NV was one of the states that had some questionable patterns. Still, with those three, OH, NM, and CO, it's a win.

On edit: Bush won IA by less than .7% of the vote in 2004.

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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:44 AM
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3. One of our biggest challenges for the GE...
...is going to be fighting voter suppression. The GOP knows that vote suppression is the only way they stand a chance, both for the Presidency and downticket races.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:44 AM
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4. Don't forget Obama's up in VA, too, which has 13 EVs and was red in 04
He's up in Iowa, up in OH, up in IN, tied in NM, and up in CO.

He trails in Nevada. He also trails in MI and WI.

At the moment the EV count has Obama up 37 EVs (w/o NM).
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:02 AM
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9. I purposefully avoided the polls, but consider Obama's
Edited on Thu May-29-08 11:03 AM by ProSense
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:47 AM
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5. Its going to be a Obama landslide. McSame will only win a dozen States.
Take it to the bank.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:03 AM
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10. which ones?
Edited on Thu May-29-08 11:04 AM by northzax
I count the following states a dead bird would win with an R next to their name:

Alaska
Alabama
Mississippi
Louisiana
Tennessee
Texas
Oklahoma
North Dakota
South Dakota
Georgia
South Carolina
Idaho
Arizona
Montana
Wyoming
Kentucky
Indiana
Utah
Nebraska

that's 19. no one seriously thinks any of those states are in play. which ones do you see McCain NOT winning? let's be a little realistic.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:11 AM
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11. Give him these 26
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
West Virginia
Wyoming

Obama wins:

Obama 298 McCain 240


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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:32 AM
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16. that works
I was just reminding the previous poster we shouldn't expect a Reagan-Mondale blowout. it's not set up that way.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:01 PM
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17. You are not taking into account the country's massive disatifiaction
with the Bush administration.

Combine that with State Republican scandals, high black/new voter turnout, the religious right staying home and I think you'll have some unexpected wins in States like Alaska, Louisiana, Idaho, the Carolinas, etc. The Democrats should have some unexpected wins in the South and West. I feel this Country is in the same frame of mind that it was in during Watergate and the Democratic party will have huge wins nationwide.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 07:57 PM
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27. I think Montana might be in play n/t
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lsusteel Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:59 AM
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7. No, he needs any 3 of those 5.
IA, NM, NV = 269-269 tie = Obama wins.

IA, CO, NM (or NV) = 273-268 = Obama wins

I think this is Obama's most likely map:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/electoral-college/?dList=ia,ca,co,ct,de,il,nj,ny,ore,pa,ri,mi,wa,me1,me2,me0,md,wi,hi,ma,mn,vt,nm,dc&rList=nh,nv,sc,fl,al,ak,ar,wy,ga,mo,nc,ok,tn,ut,la,va,az,nd,oh,tx,ms,ind,ne0,ne1,ne2,ne3,wv,ky,id,mt,sd,ks&uList=

A 269-269 tie most certainly goes to Obama based on how the tie-breaking process works.

Of course, if he can keep NH Democratic, we won't need to worry about that.

Obama has multiple ways to win, which forces the GOP to spread out their resources and defend/attack multiple states rather than just FL and OH, like they do when our hopes are pinned on them.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 06:00 PM
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23. "A 269-269 tie most certainly goes to Obama based on how the tie-breaking process works."
But who wants to go through that? Obama will win definitively.



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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:01 AM
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8. He's up in CO and IA and SUSA had him up by 9 in OH and he's tied or very competitive in both NM and
NV. I would add Virginia as a state Obama can win as well.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 07:02 PM
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24. The one thing about framing it as Kerry plus the four states or OH is that
it blows Hillary's argument to shreds.

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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:13 AM
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12. Your title is a little misleading
If he wins Ohio he doesn't need any others. If he loses Ohio he needs some combination of the others. Iowa, New Mexico and Nevada would make it tied 269-269, which would likely put him in the presidency but not the way he wants to win. If he wins Colorado and one of the other three he wins.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:19 AM
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14. You're correct. Edited. There are a number of scenarios, but these are
Edited on Thu May-29-08 11:21 AM by ProSense
states Kerry lost by narrow margins: IA and NM by less than 1%, OH and NV by less than 2.7% and CO by less than 5%.

On edit, avoiding the scenario of a tie in favor of a clear win.

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:14 AM
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13. Or VA and any one of any of those.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:29 PM
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18. Department of Stupid Spin
Poll: Obama Losing To McCain In Michigan -- But Hillary As VP Might Help

Why would Obama lose a state that both Kerry (3%) and Gore (4%) won?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:05 PM
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20. In the latest SUSA poll, McCain got
Edited on Thu May-29-08 01:08 PM by ProSense
26% of the black vote?


In MI, Kerry won 89% of the black vote in 2004.



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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:04 PM
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29. LOL
thats an interesting sample
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:01 PM
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19. A referendum in Colorado
May 29, 2008

A referendum in Colorado

A pro-life measure goes on the ballot in Colorado -- a crucial swing state -- which could help McCain with the feared anemic turnout from religious conservatives.


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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 07:21 PM
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25. well that's depressing
hopefully it won't matter
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:13 PM
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21. OBAMA LANDSLIDE! McCain will look like a Doddering Idiot in the Debates. Obama wins. Game over!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:20 PM
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22. Winning is good enough, and I believe he will. n/t
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 07:53 PM
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26. My concern of states we could lose
*If* McCain chooses Romney, we might be in trouble with Michigan. Pennsylvannia might be a problem also if some of the Hillary people bail like they say they will. Honestly though, I think we can hang on to both of those.

States we could pick up in order of likelyhood include Iowa, Virginia, Missouri, New Mexico, Colorado, Ohio, North Carolina, Nevada, Montana - and you might be surprised by states like Kansas, Idaho, the Dakotas and Nebraska although I don't have the balls to call those upsets. Obviously, the Dems have alot more upside.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:54 PM
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28. Romney can't help McCain. n/t
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:22 PM
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30. Richardson
VP?
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