An appeal to my fellow Obama supporters.

This has got to stop.

I'm looking through the lists of threads and I'm seeing a lot of petty threads laughing at Hillary for staying in the race, calling her names, blasting her for staying in the race mocking and or blasting her for pushing the FL and MI delegate issue, criticizing every little thing she has ever said etc. etc.

I realize that some of you feel that Hillary is hurting Obama by staying in the race. I know some of you are outraged by the things her supporters are doing: Threatening to vote for McCain, demanding that we "convince" them before they support our candidate, calling us sexist misogynists because we won't support Hillary.

But if you are a true Obama supporter and you really and truly want Obama to win in November, then you can't be involved in attacks on Hillary. All you are doing is hurting our cause. If we lose in November, the Hillary supporters that refused to unite behind Obama will be to blame, but you guys will share some of the blame too. Every person that created a thread picking at something one of Hillary's advisors said, or blasting Hillary for not dropping out of the race, or calling Hillary a neo-con, or making fun of something Bill Clinton said, is helping McCain by stirring up the divide, and diverting resources from the general election campaign.

We have won. The primary is over. Hillary's chances of winning the nomination are about as real as the sniper fire in Bosnia. Quit calling on Hillary to quit, because frankly, at this point, it doesn't matter if she quits or not. We are now in a general election between Obama and McCain, and continuing to attack Hillary supporters is only going to alienate those Hillary supporters who are true democrats who will support the party's nominee. Yes there are many Hillary loyalists who are not true democrats who would rather support McCain/Bush than a man who I personally think is a great candidate, but do you seriously think that insulting them is going to bring them back into the fold? You are wasting your time.

I don't have time to be outraged at what Hillary is doing. Every second I spend making fun of Hillary and her supporters is a second I am NOT spending doing what it takes. Yesterday one of Bush's trusted advisors provided more evidence that the case for war in Iraq is manufactured. Instead of pleading with you guys to get over the primaries and get on with it, I should be working with you guys to make sure that every political blogger out there who is on the fence is reminded that McCain has yet to denounce Bush for the spin, and propaganda that accompanied the push to war in Iraq. We have work to do, and we should be doing it.

This nonsense has to stop.

And if one idiot posts a reply to this thread reminding me that Hillary's supporters have said hurtful things too, or asking me if I will call on Hillary to be gracious in defeat, I will reach through the computer and shake them silly. We aren't five years old "They started it" isn't a valid excuse for being immature. Every time you post a frivolous anti-Hillary comment, you hurt Obama more than the Hillary's supporters comments do. Every second you spend wallowing in Hillary hate is a second you are not spending concentrating on the election ahead of us. Are you really going to sabotage our candidate to satisfy your need for petty retaliation? We are in an election. This is serious business. Set the childish games aside. We have work to do.

Let's get to it.

Who is with me?

Mostly using crap that comes from FReeps and takes things beyond the kitchen sink and into the septic tank.

Will I stop mouthing those folks? As far as I'm concerned they're open game for ridicule for s***ing on Dems.

Now the regular Hillary folks? I've called off the dogs on them a while back.

I'm trying to find my inner peace, but when the crazy cat lady and the guy who uses Iron Man as his avatar keeps posting s*** from Rush Limbaugh's website ...they piss me off nine-ways to Sunday.

Makes this little RPCV want to stick his foot in someone's a** so far that they'll be s***ing size 10W for a month.

I was pretty clear about that. Sick of RW hit piece posts around here from both sides and my track record shows it.

Pretty damn good reasons not to post or use hit pieces. The most pathetic ones, reminicent of one of the candidates sneezing in a pepper factory and someone feigning outrage deserve banning IMHO...but I don't make up the rules. However, that's all part of the politics she/her supporter use far more than Obama and the reason why she loses.

Responding to a hit piece with a hit piece is counterproductive. How does starting a thread calling Hillary Clinton an neo-con help Obama? All it does is alienate true democrats who preffered Hillary but were inclined to support Obama if he became the nominee.

that's what these suggestions bring to mind.

EDIT: Went with my main point, sans fluff.

If you truly believe that Obama has won the nomination. (And I do.) Then how can Hillary's supporters hurt you?

the issue is all the directives to stop are one-sided and don't address the culpability of those involved.

Unless you're going to argue your OP was directed at both sides? If so, I have misunderstood it.

should we allow threads like these to continue?>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=109&topic_id=33261&mesg_id=33261

Because they can't harm us now, and because responding to them by calling Hillary a neo-con only hurts our candidate.

:shrug:

I got the same priviledge you got when you signed up. The ability to create threads. So I created a thread, and I am expressing my opinion. Just like when you joined and you got the ability to create threads calling Hillary sadistic and twisted, when I signed up, I earned the priviledge to call such talk petty. Nobody is forcing either of us to pay attention to the other.

I've called Hillary "sadistic and twisted"? really? I hadn't, but now that you mention it, sounds like a good idea!

you seem to have a lot of negative baggage about me personally, for only just joining.

now, why would that be, exactly?


did you used to be here under another handle? hmmmm... enquiring minds want to know.

And don't flatter yourself. If I had been here for longer I would be mroe familiar with what you have and haven't called Hillary.

FAIL.


bzzzzt.

You are asking posters loyal to the party nominee to stand idly by whilst he is bashed mercilessly.

No sale.

right there with you man.

Than theirs does.

I voted for Clinton myself.

Now I back the party nominee.

That's all that needs to be said.

The dozen or so morans who post the bile can fuck off as far as I'm concernced. I'm not out to persuade them nor am I sure they are even Democrats.

Most I had to put BACK on my ignore list because they post nothing but hate and vitriol.

then tell us to stand down. Its a concerted effort.. it is allowed by this site.. and as long as its allowed SOME of us will defend Obama and expose those doing this smear for what they are.

"More Wars! Less Jobs! McCain '08"

and it it not "nonsense" to call upon her to stop it immediately.

Going after supporters rather than the candidate I agree should stop. However, you must also understand that it is a two way street and you cannot expect Obama supporters to act with the charity of Christ while they are being kneecapped.

we have to defend ourselves.

Obama knows what you have to do - fight fire with fire. Otherwise Hillary would have run him over like a steamroller.

When she stops, we stop.

Just when I think it's best to just let the HRC thang go on, something inane comes up.

Screw it.

When she and Bill stand down, I stand down. I don't trust them at all.

Calls to stop this or that are useless and typically counterproductive. Just last night, I posted some serious questions I have or have had and received a fair amount of angry, demeaning comments.

I understand that you're trying to be civil but civility is best used in practice. There's plenty of good people here who are practicing it now just sometimes it doesn't feel like it. :)

Edited because it's almost the end of the day and work is making my brain malfunction. Well, malfunction more than usual.

There is a residual remnant in both camps that seems unable to disnegage.

Its better just to pass on the lowlife and concentrate on next week.

I figured I would make one last attempt to appeal to the bashers before moving on.

That would result in almost certain defeat for our party in November.

And we are not supposed to fight them on that? Seriously? They are launching lawsuits and appeals, trying to get rules changed to give their candidate an unfair advantage, protesting the DNC, and spewing distortions and 1/2 truths about our nominee. And you want us to be the wussy Democrats we are always accused of being, roll over, and let them continue to inflict damage on us? HA. No sale. Not this time.

If they don't want to vote for Obama in the fall it will only be because they are so bitter and foolish that they'd allow the continued destruction of our country and their own civil liberties for no other reason than SPITE.

I'll stop fighting them the instant that they are no longer a threat to my nominee or my party. Sadly, we haven't reached that point yet.

Can't just sit back and watch a man we respect and will be our next pres be dissed constantly and stand by and do nothing.. That's just silly.

Post some more faux outrage inducing hit pieces and keep pondering it.

It will sink in eventually that you are hurting Hillary more than helping her...if you don't know that extremely well enough already.

:eyes:

I doubt if anything that is ever said at DU will have any effect whatsoever on the fall election. And besides that, IMO, the McCain campaign will be in such sad shape by November that Obama will win in a landslide whether Clinton supporters get on board or not.

Edit - I meant this as a reply to the OP.

Anybody sabotaging Obama's general election chances needs to be attacked. That it's coming from a so called Democrat is even more despicable than if it were coming from a Republican.

You people need to stop underestimating the Clinton machine. Don't let your guard down. As long as the Hillary loyalists can continue to undermine Obama's candidacy in GDP, we have to counter them.

What Clinton machine? I've watched for the past few months as the so-called Clinton machine has used every low-blow tactic, ecery lie, and every insult they can come up with to try and derail our candidate, and hope still won. Clearly the voters of America aren't idiots. Why would I be afraid of her now? And no one has been able to explain to me how calling Clinton an neo con protects Obama from her attacks.

But them saying it doesn't make it so. It's over.

... or to what we have to do in november. Let them make noise. They can't affect us.

:thumbsdown:

n/t

to the conclusion that it's Obama supporters who "have to stop". :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I think I'll take my latte loving, birkenstock wearing, Obamabot, cult worshiping, trust fund baby ass to another thread that isn't quite so funny.

:)


btw: get a load of post #44 or so.

I've posted a similar but far less eloquent thread today, with much the same sad results.

Obama people, will you please STOP pecking at the Hillary people!

I'm very happy to meet someone of like mind. Welcome to DU! :hi:

Peace,
sw