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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:47 PM
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Hillary is free to continue through to the Dem Convention, but why?

Read into this what you will...

Posted: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:20 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
... But we in the Hillary Clinton traveling press corps were just alerted that the sign-up page for transportation and hotel rooms was updated for the coming week. Interestingly, it allows us to sign up for travel after June 3, the final primary day -- right up through June 6.

A sign of optimism? A sign she's not giving up anytime soon? "Sign up and see," was all Clinton spokesman Jay Carson said.

Carson later added, "There are a lot of places to go between now and November 4."


Doesn't appear that Hillary plans on ending her campaign.

HUBdate: Why Hillary is the Strongest Candidate


No matter what the RBC decides on Saturday, after Tuesday, Obama will have clinched the delegate majority in every scenario.


The Democratic Convention is August 25 - 28, 2008

Election Day is November 4, 2008


Hillary is free to continue her campaign after Obama has clinched the nomination, but what purpose would be served taking a futile battle all the way to the Dem Convention?


December 06, 2007

What If the Conventions Are Contested?

By G. Terry Madonna and Michael Young

It's the dream of every political junkie in America and the nightmare of every presidential campaign: a contested convention that forces the nomination fight beyond the first ballot. But whether hoped for or dreaded, contested conventions are the rarest of phenomenon in modern politics. Almost three in four Americans were not yet born the last time either party had such a contest.

For Democrats, that was in 1952 when it took three ballots to nominate Governor Adlai Stevenson of Illinois for the first of what would be two unsuccessful campaigns for the presidency. The GOP's last multi-ballot convention occurred four years earlier in 1948. New York Governor Thomas Dewey won that one in another three ballot contest before going on to lose to Harry Truman.

Since 1952, no convention has gone beyond the first ballot. In fact, only one convention has been seriously contested at all--the Republican Convention in 1976 when Gerald Ford barely beat Ronald Reagan on the first ballot.

But this particular chapter of American political history may be ripe for revision in 2008. Certainly, party nomination rules adopted since 1968 make contested conventions unlikely. But less than a month away from the 2008 primaries and caucuses, both major parties have multi-candidate struggles going on--and arguably either party, or even both parties, could open their respective conventions without a consensus nominee.

<...>

The political parties' aversion to contested conventions is not without reason. Party slugfests at the convention often augur defeat at the polls. Both the Democrats (1952) and the Republicans (1948) lost after their last multi-ballot conventions. Similarly the GOP lost presidential elections in 1912 and 1940 after bitter convention fights, while Democrats lost after multi-ballot conventions in 1920 and 1924. More recently, the 1968 Democratic debacle in Chicago, featuring riots outside the convention hall and near riots inside, showed just how difficult it is for a badly divided party to win.

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Does anyone actually see a positive in Hillary continuing to challenge Obama for the nomination through August?






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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:49 PM
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1. I could see a positive
If my name was John McCain.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:00 PM
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5. It's completely bogus to skew this argument in Hillary's favor
She has a right to continue, but Obama has a right, as the nominee, to begin his campaign to win the GE. Let's see how many people will begin accusing him of being dismissive when he shifts his focus to McCain.



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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:50 PM
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2. Hillary can continue her campaign until either her or Barack get 2025.
Don't know why that's so difficult for some of you to understand.

If it means taking it to the convention, then that's what they'll BOTH have to do, if neither have 2025.

I'm sick of you people telling Hillary to get out of Obama's way.

Until he's got 2025, it's just as logical to argue that he's in Hillary's way.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:52 PM
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3. Who said anything about her dropping out before he gets 2025? Since
Edited on Thu May-29-08 02:55 PM by ProSense
the OP doesn't include a number and simply states Obama will have clinched the majority of delegates (read: there will not be enough remaining delegates for Hillary to reach the required number), your response is basically that she has every right to continue.

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:17 PM
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11. RE: "Until he's got 2025, it's just as logical to argue that he's in Hillary's way."
Not really, but that won't stop you....
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:35 PM
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15. If she would say that she will drop out if he gets 2025, I don't think anybody would be concerned
I think people are concerned that she will challenge the legitimacy of the DNC's decision regarding Florida and Michigan.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:58 PM
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4. We'll just have to wait and see
People's minds change over the course of a day, let a lone a week, and you'll go broke trying to predict human behavior reliably, especially hers it seems
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:15 PM
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9. Agree, but the process is polarizing. Still, it seems to be hurting Hillary more, but
she's not the one who will have to face McCain:





McCain's Negatives Mostly Political, Obama's More Personal: Clinton Backers Cool to Obama - White Female Support in Question


McCain is a flawed candidate, but those flaws have to be given a full airing. There are only two months between the convention and the election.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:02 PM
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6. In two weeks, Hill and Bill will be appearing to groups of two dozen old geezers.
They'll be doing events at Golden Corral.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:05 PM
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7. Doesn't have to, doesn't need to and should not give it..It's what democracy is!
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:06 PM
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8. Yes, Republicans and Insane Democrats love the idea.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:16 PM
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10. It's nothing but revenge on Hillary's part.
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Mike L Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:22 PM
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12. In Obama's own words........
Mrs. Clinton pressed her case Wednesday on multiple fronts: on the campaign trail, in a written fund-raising appeal and in the letter to superdelegates.

Accompanying that letter was a fact sheet citing a quotation from Mr. Obama that suggested there might be some injustice if the nomination was not given to the candidate with the most popular votes.

“On February 8th,” it said, “Senator Obama said that if someone had the most pledged delegates and the most votes in the country, that ‘it would be problematic for political insiders to overturn the judgment of the voters.’ It appears that when all the votes are counted June 3rd, Hillary Clinton will be the candidate with the most votes.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/us/politics/29dems.html?ref=us


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:29 PM
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13. In Obama's own words
Edited on Thu May-29-08 03:30 PM by ProSense
(and the primary criteria): "the most pledged delegates"

Hillary has lost the nomination.



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Mike L Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:48 PM
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17. "and the most votes in the country" em
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:54 PM
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18. "and," but still irrelevant to the actual criteria. n/t
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Mike L Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:58 PM
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19. Why do you think Obama's statement is irrelevant? Are you calling him a liar? em
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:01 PM
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20. Read it again, and you'll see the error in your response. n/t
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 05:16 PM
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22. Obama will have the votes and delegates.
Then Hillary will say polls from curtain states are the only thing that matter..
She is a hoot.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 05:42 PM
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23. Yeah, but someone needs to give Hillary a dose of reality. n/t
Edited on Thu May-29-08 05:42 PM by ProSense
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:30 PM
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14. Hillary math. Look at her finances in running a campaign. Numbers are not her friend.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:44 PM
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16. Signs of common sense
May 29, 2008

Reid also ready to shut it down

Per Political Radar:

Uncommitted superdelegate and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., visiting San Francisco, told KGO Radio today that he spoke this morning with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and last night to DNC Chairman Howard Dean. "We agree there won’t be a fight at the convention," he said, later adding that "simple math indicates" Barack Obama is likely to become the Democratic nominee.

ALSO: Pelosi, CNN reports, has begun calling uncommitted superdelegates, urging them to make up their mind.



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 05:14 PM
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21. Obama gets a WV superdelegate
- Added Rep. Alan Mollohan (WV) for Obama

link

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 07:40 PM
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24. She has to pay Bill back for raiding his savings account.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:10 AM
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25. Vendors first. n/t
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:41 PM
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26. kicked
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