Obama supporters, are you naive?

I've read so many predictions over the past couple of months from Obama supporters assuring us that Hillary will drop out. The goalpost keeps moving, but most are still predicting it.

The latest deadline is "the end of next week." When that doesn't happen, it will be the end of June, and so on.

I believe that Obama supporters are natural optimists, and good people. It is probably difficult for them to grasp the concept that a fellow Dem will willingly tear our party apart.

But Hillary has given so sign of giving up. She's more aggressive this morning than ever, and it's the obvious that the decision yesterday means nothing to her.

Although Obama supporters often chide Hillary supporters for not facing facts, it might be time for some of us to face them as well.

she really has no choice at this point.

and there is no sign of it. There has never been any sign of it. Time to face facts.

to further sew discord and division.

It's bullshit. Hillary Clinton is a Democrat and she WILL do the right thing.

don't trust her and I think it is stunningly naieve for anyone to believe anything she says. She has no agenda, none, but her own.

All the way, baby.

She and Bill want to be King and Queen of the Democratic Party. They can't be that if Obama wins the Presidency.

Obama spent months winning the outside game. Yesterday, he won the inside game, too.

That is why they needed Kerry to lose too.

Do you think Hillary would have been running this year if Kerry had won? Nope.

All their hopes and dreams are pinned on NOT having a Democratic President other than Hillary.

It's hard out there for a Clinton. :-)

She isn't dropping out. She won't support him once he is officially the nominee, except to give lip service.

Her intentions are now clear. If she can't have the power, then no Dem can.

And the hell with the nation.

Photoshopped or was she really there smiling and waving?

We need to finish her off once and for all. I hope the Superdelegates take action soon!

I think there are powers beyond our and her control.. the idea is chaos... and the stealing for McCain....

I have no doubt she's going all the way to the convention.

...I thought I could trust them to make the right decision for my Party. Still do, actually.

but I tend to agree with Rachel Maddow on this. She ain't givin' up.

Ickes was on Wolf this morning and he was horrible.

We don't have any other option other than to play quiet. There isn't any other recourse. Right? Or am I missing something?

As long as Obama supporters believe that, they are willing to wait ...and wait... and wait...and do nothing. The next step is to fight back. Call, fax, or e-mail all the undeclared superdelegates, protest, etc.

til the convention.

I believe Obama should simply focus on McSame, and have his folks respond (only when really neccesary) to HRC's attack monkeys. Let the lack of attention drown her campaign - they don't have the money to mount a media campaign on their own now.

and who has been to several rodeos, I can see signals that she's going to drop out

She stopped attacking, she even defended him when the Hammas comment came

Her signals have been way too subtle... but she is

If she does not... her pariah status in the party will be assured.

That said, after H. Ickes comments yesterday that they reserve the right to take it to Denver... my feelings for her and the campaign hardened... and if she pulls a Kennedy, I will hold HER fully responsible for the debacle in November... her and her followers

The rules for an appeal requires a Michigan delegate to appeal it to the credentials committee---which is hard because the entire state party MI delegation agreed to the agreement that was passed last night.

and I have no reason to doubt it. But I hope someone is forwarding it to Keith, etc. If this info is just circulating here on DU, it doesn't stop their talking points. They've already got all of cable news parroting that she's won the popular vote.

The DNC will announce a nominee.

When Hillary started using the popular vote argument and the Michigan and Florida disenfranchisment arguments, I had no doubt she's not willing to drop out. When somebody is willing to engage in electoral fraud and in the making of a mockery of democracy to get her way or else, you know nothing will stop them.

her huge debt (including vast amounts she has personally loaned her campaign) if she drops out. She'll drop out in June.

...making herself and her supporters look ridiculous.

NGU.

in support of Barack Obama

that said she was in it to reduce her debts etc a few weeks ago and point out to them how wrong they were... She stayed in this long, she's still just as negative and intentionally divisive as ever and there is no end in sight (I honestly think she could go ahead and push the whole "this is so unfair" thing past the convention to totally destroy Obama's chances.)

is all.

After all,

she KNOWS she is the better candidate,
she KNOWS the votes are final till the convention,
she has stated that delegates can change their minds till then (SD and pledged),
she KNOWS she will convince the delegates to switch their support to her,
she KNOWS this is her turn and her nomination,
she KNOWS she can make up her own rules,
she KNOWS she will win in the end and all Obama's supporters will follow the QUEEN to her coronation.

Yep, some of us Obama supporters have known all along just how determined and focused HRC is to get the nomination and presidency THIS YEAR!

and it's not her. She won't allow herself to be blindsided like that, unless she's much more stupid than she looks.

She still has surrogates out there making her followers angry over a false notion that Hillary might have the nomination "stolen" after she's won more votes. False notion upon false claim, but this isn't being put out in the MSM without Hillary's OK.

And she's asking SDs not to commit until the convention. That's pure evidence that she will be in "wait and see", "anything can happen" mode until August.

The unknown is what she plans to do between now and then. I don't know if a massive SD declaration for Obama this week would alter her plan, so I'm not sure what they'll do about their campaign debt. It would look pretty damned weird for her to try to campaign for the GE when Obama is the clear presumptive nominee...not that the appearance might be enough.

Once "all the votes are in" there goes any argument she has for going on. The credentials committee will be controlled by Obama so that's a non-starter.

at Obama's inaugaration by security.

I will add a smiley so people know I"m being witty.

:)

will graciously concede and support Barack and the next second my mind does a total about face and I suddenly believe she will try to destroy him. This is the strangest election I have seen in all my many years and just thinking about it is beginning to wear me down. For all of those out there who think it was good for Hillary to fight this to the end even when it was obvious she was going to lose, I say you are terribly terribly wrong. In the worst way I wanted Hillary to depart as a hero with her reputation intact. It isn't possible now and I feel sad about it all.

Obviously, you've never seen me post here before. I've been saying this for ages. Hillary is the lowest of the low and doesn't give a flying fuck about anything but herself.

The evidence is becoming stronger and stronger that HRC wants Obama to lose. It's horrible, it's unpleasant, it's barely believable, but she has been harming the party on purpose for some weeks now. We can no longer say she wouldn't harm the party. It's only a question of how much. She has shown no sign of limits to her destructiveness, so we should not assume she has any.

I haven't mustered up a huge sigh of relief, I'm still waiting to exhale. Fool me once..and all that. Nothing about this Primary season has been easy. I don't expect anything to change. But there have been some huge bright spots along the way. I don't expect that to change either.

There will be bright spots. But there would be more if Hillary would get out and support the nominee.

that I derided (and took shit for) that she would drop out after Oregon/Kentucky.

LOL.

Hopefully, that will teach some folks not to listen to that dishonest little rumor monger.

I think her time is now at an end and she will drop out of the race very soon.

It's no longer about politics or her legacy, it's about spite and ruining the people that "stole" her god-given right to the WH.

have never said she would drop out. If she didn't drop out when she lost - in February - why would she drop out ever? Once one has abandoned reality, anything is possible.

I have been trying to figure out what on earth is going on here for a very long time.
I think it is far more complicated than it appears to be.

I think maybe it is personal. And I am sort of optimisticly estimating that it is not hateful.
Possibly the Clinton marriage is entangled in it and Bill's sabotaging may have snowballed the whole thing.

Regardless, apparently this falls outside of what can be predicted. The strategy will probably be unknown until the book or documentary comes out after the campaign is finished.

but I just don't think it's that complicated. She wants to win, expected to win, and is having trouble facing reality. She is self-centered and not interested in how this is affecting the party as a whole. She doesn't want Obama to win in 2008, so that's not something she worries about.

and numerous SDs who switch from Clinton to him as well.