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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:06 PM
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Obama got his butt wooped in Puerto Rico today...and you know what? I dont care.
She'll count her Puerto Rico popular vote, but does anybody really buy her popular vote argument with all her loopholes? No caucus states, not counting Michigan's uncommitted, counting Puerto Rico? I think not. Buh bye Hillary.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:06 PM
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1. The media lets it play because no one calls them on it.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:07 PM
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2. Caucus states are included in the popular vote totals
As a good Democrat, you should be wary when your candidate promotes myths about these kinds of things.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:08 PM
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3. Except WA. I guess we don't matter.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:08 PM
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4. and Maine.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:08 PM
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5. And Maine. Maine doesn't matter. n/t
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:18 PM
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27. and we had record shattering turn outs too
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Veruca Salt Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:45 PM
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44. Yeup, first caucus I've ever participated in as well
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mikiturner Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:09 PM
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7. Not true nt
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:09 PM
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9. and the MI vote for Obama wasn't counted in Clinton's 'math'
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:15 PM
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21. Obama took his name off the ballot
He doesn't have any votes. If he wanted them to be counted, he should have left his name on.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:19 PM
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30. Hillary said it would not count.
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 02:19 PM by tabatha
Hillary said it would not count.

Hillary said it would not count.

Hillary said it would not count.

Hillary said it would not count.

Hillary said it would not count.

Hillary said it would not count.

Do you believe her?

Or was she lying keeping her name on because she said it would not count?
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:40 PM
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42. So you want to punish the voters of Michigan?
You want to disenfranchise them because of mistakes someone else made? I thought this was about making every vote count? Maybe we shouldn't count any of Michigan after all.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:09 PM
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10. What about Iowa, Nevada, Washington, and Maine?
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:12 PM
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18. And Texas
Caucuses don't count because Operation Chaos agents don't go to them.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:31 PM
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37. TX caucus doesn't count. Only the primary counts, because it makes it seem like Hill won TX then.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:16 PM
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23. Go to the link
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:18 PM
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28. She doesnt include those estimated numbers. I know how she conducts her math
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:47 PM
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48. The link is to Real Clear Politics
who compiles their own stats.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:09 PM
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11. It depends on how the calculations are done - if they are counted it is an estimate
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 02:10 PM by dmordue
"Clinton counts" of the popular vote have tended to not count them at all
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:10 PM
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13. Swell, but Mi shouldn't be counted at all
to cite an uncontested primary as proof of popular vote strength is extremely disingenious.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:10 PM
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14. More imaginary numbers. n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:35 PM
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40. But four of the caucus states didn't report their vote totals at all!
Since don't know what they are, how can we say we have a popular vote total at all?

:shrug:
rocknation
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:09 PM
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6. Puerto Ricans can't vote in the GE; why would their numbers be
included in the popular vote? I keep asking that question, and no one has a good answer other than 'because Clinton says so'. :eyes:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:11 PM
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16. I dont know. Oh boy, Terry's looking like a fool.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:17 PM
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26. Yep, I just heard him. He's spinning like a top! nt
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:09 PM
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8. It just shows that he can't win PR in the Fall
Watch for some fool to actually say that.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:11 PM
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17. LOL !!!
Good one.

:rofl:

:applause:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:10 PM
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12. Next she'll be saying Obama can't win the GE without PR.
lol
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:14 PM
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20. I'll take that bet
How much?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:15 PM
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22. I'm surprised at you, wvbygod. On Sunday and everything.
:)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:18 PM
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29. Remember way back when when the goal posts were moved to PR?
Time flees; not really! I can see the parking garage on the other side of that goal post from here though.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:19 PM
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31. Blitzer is going on and on and on about an election PR didn't even turn out for.
So funny.

lol
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:11 PM
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15. I hope he didn't spend much resources there.
Its not like it helps for the General.
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:14 PM
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19. Feel the unity and love of all things democratic
Good to know that the children of today have much less bitterness and more hope for change
and a better tomorrow. A good example set is a healthier child in the making.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:17 PM
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25. Unity & Love doesnt revolve around whether people support the 2nd Place candidate or not.
And it certainly doesnt hinge on whether people support Hillary Clinton being handed the nomination.

Since when did being for hope, unity & change mean that you had to like Hillary or support the fact that she is helping McCain?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:20 PM
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32. Seeking unity with predators is in general a bad idea. n/t
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:16 PM
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24. Terry McAulliffe just said again that Obama loses to McCain according to Gallup
And again McAwful is wrong. Obama leads McCain by 1, and Hillary leads McCain by 2.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:25 PM
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33. And it won't be decided by Gallup (Glop) now, will it?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:26 PM
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34. McAwful just called this race "a key group for Democrats".
lol

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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:28 PM
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35. Dirty little secret of the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico

They are extremely racist. Yes, racist. And it's not about skin color. It's about skin color and place of origin.

Continentals... that is what they call stateside black people.

I lived in the US VI for about a year, but it was an incident in Puerto Rico that sticks in my mind... I and my girlfriend were drinking in a bar, having a quiet time... a African American comes up and sits down next to us... he tries very hard to get the attention of the bar tender (also someone who I would say is "black" though obviously Hispanic/black)...

While he is trying to place an order, we strike up a conversation, turns out he is a film producer from LA, here in Puerto Rico to do a commercial photo shoot... times goes on and he still can't get the attention of the bartender. So I now ask him what he wants, he tells me his drink order, I signal the bartender and order it. When the bartender brings me the drink and I hand it to our new friend... the bartender turns to me and says "you cannot do that... you must leave".

I have never been so shocked in my life.

But the film producer from LA gets up and tells me "no, this has been my whole experience here... everywhere I go... I will never return to Puerto Rico". My girlfriend and I also leave but not before letting all of the other tourists know what just happened and making a formal complaint to the management.

But everywhere we went in the US possessions in the Caribbean, we found the same thing. we were treated as walking wallets (ok it's a tourist trap), and US Continentals were treated as less than dirt.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:29 PM
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36. If the Hispanic vote doesn't concern you...
then a reasonable person would be compelled to ask how you expect to win in November.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:35 PM
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39. The Latino vote isn't a monolith. The way PR votes
doesn't represent CA, NM or AZ.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:43 PM
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43. True- but there's a big influence on New Jersey and Pennsylvania
Note also that McCain's "maverick" immigration stance- along with Obama's lukewarm Hispanic support in the west could also swing New Mexico.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:47 PM
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46. Obama definitely has to work harder on that block.

But McCain isn't set to pull much of that vote except the die hard anti Castro Cubans in FL -- and, only the older generation. Their kids vote more liberal every year.

If enough of us Latinos for Obama get off of our remotes, we'll be fine. McCain is about as appealing as cold leftover fried squash. Obama has the potential to dominate the Latino block. :)
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:45 PM
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45. The voters in Puerto Rico dont concern me. 40 percent according to MSNBC dont know Obama.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:55 PM
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47. Dismissive pollyanna attitudes (and reliance on the likes of MSNBC)
are the sorts of deals that make the more experienced among us very uneasy about our chances to defeat the Republicans in November.

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:33 PM
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38. It doesn't matter what happens in Puerto Rico
because if states that had caucuses shouldn't count, then neither should Puerto Rico since it doesn't vote in the GE!

:headbang:
rcoknation
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:36 PM
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41. Sing along, folks:
(to the tune of "He's got the whole world in his hands")

I've got the whole world...on ignore
I've got the whole wide world on ignore
I've got the whole world on ignore
I've got the whole world on ignore

I've got the polsters and the pundits
on ignore
I've got the Hillary supporters
on ignore
and folks who just don't like religion
on ignore
I've got the whole world on ignore

The folks who say he's an appeaser
I deplore
And when he shit-cans his supporters
I just snore
the gaffes and ludicrous misstatements
I adore
I've got the whole world on ignore

They say he ducks the controversies
that's a bore
He's everything to everybody
they're just sore
The revolutionaries love him
what a score
I've got the whole world on ignore...


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