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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:27 PM
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So I was curious about michigan
I didn't pay overmuch attention to the Michigan primary, since everyone agreed it was irrelevant. I do remember hearing about the "vote uncommited" thing, and being rather impressed that such a large number of people showed up to vote for a chimera.

My question, for someone who payed more attention than I: Was there any tracking of the number of Write-in's that were tossed out? is there any even reasonably credible estimate or number on those?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:28 PM
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1. The official estimate I heard was 30,000 Obama write-in ballots.
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:30 PM
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3. Yes, that's also what I heard :) n/t
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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:29 PM
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2. State party head said 30,000 write ins, no way to know for who.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:31 PM
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4. Yup, they didn't count them or look at them so they
don't know who they were for.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:34 PM
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7. That's not what I heard...
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 05:35 PM by vaberella
The 30,000 write ins were for Obama. That's true (or as far as I'm aware based on what was presented by Mark Brewer). It was the 44% of Uncommitted which was being divided between Obama and Edwards with Obama at 33% or so votes---> These were the assumed numbers since they can't decide who were the Obama voters.

Then they based a few on exit polls as well to determine the number estimate.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:14 PM
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17. I think they estimated a 3-1 breakdown between Obama and Edwards
That was also the approximate breakdown of preference between Obama and Edwards in the exit polling.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:32 PM
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5. LOTS of write in's but it's anecdotal evidence.
Apparently there are some voter privacy issues around breaking them out and counting them precisely. I don't understand the exact reason, but it was referred to during the RBC meeting.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:44 PM
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10. I never did understand not counting write-ins
Why would a write-in not be allowed?
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:50 PM
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11. They're allowed, but only if the candidate has 'registered'
as a write in candidate option. It's to allow the possibility of write in's, but to avoid 'Donald Duck' winning the nomination.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:39 PM
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15. That seems unfortunate.
If the people want to elect Ficus, I personally think they should be able to do so. Assuming a fair counting of the votes, we get what we deserve.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:06 PM
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16. Seems like it to me,
but these are serious upper mid-western folks. Whimsy is NOT in their programming...
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:54 PM
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13. The MI rules are that you have to register as a write-in candidate for them to count
Obama took his name off because of the candidates' pledge to not "participate or campaign" in MI or FL. FL rules would not let them remove their names (Obama, Edwards, etc. tried). If you pledge not to participate, why would you let your name be on the ballot if you could take it off? Think it is a difference between integrity and parsing.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:33 PM
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6. Seriously, Obama should just ask them to give Hillary 10 more from Michigan
Its not going to help her. And maybe they will stop crying
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:36 PM
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8. Agree -- give her what she wants. Obama will still win. nt
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:41 PM
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9. I do not agree
At this point, those who are so invested in this would still be protesting it if we restored them at 100%, and gave every single Michigan delegate to Hillary. It will always be something.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:52 PM
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12. They will NEVER stop crying.
She is RUINING herself!

Really, if she doesn't drop out
before the convention, she will
burn her political career to cinders.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:58 PM
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14. Their position is that "uncommitted" got the votes, not Obama
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 06:01 PM by bigbrother05
Any votes plegded for Obama would be too many for the Ickes crowd.

BTW it was the MI Dem Party that proposed the delegate split. The "beauty contest" was only one factor in how they came up with their allocation.

edit to add: Heard it reported that the Obama camp had the votes on the RBC to make it a 50/50 split, but backed the MDP plan in the name of unity.
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