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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:04 PM
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Delusional Hilary: “Let’s keep fighting. Let's keep fighting. Let's keep fighting.”

Hillary: 'Let’s keep fighting'

Posted: Sunday, June 01, 2008 6:30 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
During her victory speech after the Puerto Rico primary, which she is on her way to winning likely by a two-to-one margin, Ricky Martin music blaring at the introduction and afterward, Clinton showed no sign of pulling out of this race any time soon.

“Let’s keep fighting,” Clinton said four times at the close of her speech to rousing applause.

She refined what seemed to be her closing argument to superdelegates. She argued she has won the popular vote, reluctantly recognized Obama would likely win the pledged delegates (which she called a “slight lead”) and that superdelegates would now decide the Democratic nominee. Mathematically, Clinton needs an overwhelming majority of those superdelegates -- about 85 percent and likely more -- after Tuesday’s contest to overtake Obama.

Clinton got in a familiar dig at Obama, saying voters need to “cut through the speeches and the sound bites for real solutions.”

She touted her strength “among the very swing voters” Democrats “need to win” in a general election. After ticking off the swing states she has won, Clinton mentioned for the first time since yesterday’s rules committee judgment -- “and, yes, Michigan and Florida.” That was greeted with huge applause. When Obama was mentioned earlier in her speech, he was booed.

Clinton maintained -- almost as a dare -- “When voting concludes , neither of us will have enough delegates” to win the nomination, she said. It is certainly possible Obama will have the required number of delegates Tuesday night, but may need up to 30 superdelegates to do so.

What the approximately 200 undeclared superdelegates need to consider, Clinton argued: (1) Which candidate “best represents the will of the people who voted in this historic election”; (2) Which is “best able to lead us to victory in November”; (3) Which is “best able to lead the nation” as president in the face of challenges domestically and abroad.

She reiterated she is “winning the popular vote,” she’s in this race to win and that she’s most ready to lead on Day One.

“Let’s keep fighting,” she concluded. “Let’s keep fighting. Let's keep fighting. Let's keep fighting.”


As Kos points out about Hillary's popular vote argument:

So even with this bullshit measure, Obama still leads. And it is bullshit, remember that states were tasked with choosing their own electors. They chose by either:
  • Open Caucuses (Democrats, Republicans and Independents allowed)
  • Modified Caucuses (Democrats and Independents)
  • Closed Caucuses (Democrats only)
  • Open Primaries (Democrats, Republicans, and Independents allowed)
  • Modified Primaries (Democrats and Independents)
  • Closed Primaries (Democrats only)
  • Mixture of open caucuses and open primaries (i.e. Texas)
  • Mail-in ballot primary
  • Weekend primary
  • Weekday primary
The states are not on equal footing, hence any effort to tally the the popular vote is not an apple-to-apple comparison.

Of course, we know that, the super delegates know that, the media knows that, and even the Clinton campaign secretly knows that. And it is that incessant bullshit that has made this primary, which has otherwise been a boon for our party, so infuriating.



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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:06 PM
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1. I don't know whether to laugh at the insanity,
Or cry for our future.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:07 PM
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2. I saw her speech as a "let's fight 'til Tuesday" speech. She didn't challenge the results of MI
and FL reached yesterday. Her speech was to the SDs to try to go to HER side and then to thank everyone who campaigned for her. She knows it's over Tuesday night.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:41 PM
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11. I don't buy it, especially given the crap
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 06:42 PM by ProSense
Ickes and McAwful are spewing. From Hillary's comments:

Clinton maintained -- almost as a dare -- “When voting concludes , neither of us will have enough delegates” to win the nomination, she said. It is certainly possible Obama will have the required number of delegates Tuesday night, but may need up to 30 superdelegates to do so.


That is not a argument for conceding Tuesday, but that will depend on the superdelegates.

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:08 PM
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3. A few months ago Hillary was all for the superdelegates deciding the race
And now it looks like they will do so.

Careful what you wish for.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:08 PM
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4. just bluster.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:10 PM
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5. Hopefully, Kos will be the first Hillary hater drafted into McCain's army in 2010.(eom)
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:54 PM
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19. no, you will, tool.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:51 PM
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43. Maybe all of us, but that's okay, your guy gets to be the Dem nominee.
yippee! :woohoo:
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:45 PM
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38. Kos already served, genius.
He served in the U.S. Army from 1989 through 1992.

Select a different target for your bitterness. Might I suggest McCain himself, or is he too Republican to attract your ire?

- as
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:50 PM
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42. Where is it written that he never can be called back? Or even you for that matter?
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:12 PM
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6. Scorched Earth. And many here didn't even think she was capable...
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 06:18 PM by nomaco-10
Got news for ya... It's been her mission for weeks and if you weren't convinced yesterday by ickes, surely you know it now after PR.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:14 PM
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7. after 7 years in the Senate she finally found somebody she's willing to fight
the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:41 PM
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10. Her entire time in the Senate during Bush's 8 years reign of terror
she's been quiet as a church mouse, now comes a democratic candidate to the left of her now she claim to be all about the people, so concern about the country that she's willing to fight to the death. Hillary is so full of BS I can't understand why so many people has falling for her non sense.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:06 PM
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14. Great post, great point. She never fought for us, just positioning for presidential campaign.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:48 PM
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27. SNAP!
Well-played!

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:15 PM
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8. Let's keep fighting WHO, Hillary?
And may I remind you that since Puerto Rico isn't voting in the GE, they SHOULDN'T be part of your fictional popular vote total?

:headbang:
rocknation
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:38 PM
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9. How long before she starts walking around with a hockey mask and a chainsaw?
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:55 PM
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48. ROFL!
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:49 PM
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12. It's beyond "Let's keep fighting". It's progressed to...
Let's Keep POISONING the WELL.

I disagree that it's about a 2012 run. This was HER year and she is livid that she was not anointed early on. She means to destroy Obama's chances in the GE. That is now her mission, that is now her only goal. Scorched Earth has begun in ernest.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:54 PM
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13. She's a RAVING LUNATIC...
I could vomit when I hear Obama praising her while she snubs him and makes these INSANE claims.
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:46 PM
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18. I fear her supporters may have PPSD (Post Primary Stress Disorder).
She's got them whipped into such a frenzy, they may have a tough time stepping away from the Kool Aid table.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:56 PM
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21. Exactly - her sick manipulation has made her supporters ill too.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:09 PM
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15. NSFD n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:36 PM
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16. WHAA! n/t
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:43 PM
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17. UNA
Use No Abbreviations

Not So Fu#%ing Delusional?
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:56 PM
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20. She's not crazy or insane at all
it would be foolish to dismiss her antics as such.

in the context of damaging Obama as much as possible in the GE race against McBush, in order to clear the path for another run in 2012, it makes perfect logical sense. and also would prevent any possible exposure of the crimes of the Bush family who the Clintons have a long shady history with from being examined by the next administration. You definitely don't want someone like Obama in the WH who vows to clean up Washington snooping around in that regard.

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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:56 PM
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33. and don't forget
her involvement in the 911 conspiracy. (Around here, I better point out that I was being sarcastic.)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:29 PM
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22. Democratic Race Unchanged By Hillary's Puerto Rico Win

Democratic Race Unchanged By Hillary's Puerto Rico Win

By Eric Kleefeld - June 1, 2008, 8:31PM

Here are the stats from Puerto Rico, with 99% of precincts reporting:

• Hillary Clinton leads 68%-32%, with a 140,000 lead in the raw popular vote total.

• For the territory's 55 pledged delegates, Clinton will get 38 to Barack Obama's 17. While a +21 take from a single contest might normally be impressive, Obama still leads by over 150 total delegates.

• Turnout was radically lower than anybody had predicted. A total of 380,000 ballots were cast, making up only a little over 16% of the island's voters -- well short of the 900,000 that both campaigns had once thought was a reasonable estimate.

In short, Hillary Clinton's big win today has not changed the fundamental delegate math, with Obama still likely to clinch the nomination later this week. As for the popular vote metric, Clinton will only be able to claim such an advantage if the Michigan primary is factored in to give her nearly 330,000 extra votes, and crediting Obama none of the "Uncommitted" votes that his supporters cast in that primary.


Hillary lost!


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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:30 PM
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23. she's always fighting someone or something
too bad she didn't fight against the Iraq war.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:43 PM
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24. that fighting word she uses over and over again
was one of the early signals to be way back that there is something wrong in that ranch of hers.

she is so determined to send this strong woman message, she can only relate it all past strong men words - fight!

now fighting is not a bad thing at all, we all do it in many ways every day in our lives.

but when I hear Hillary say it. it has a pathetic sound to it. sure, she wants to fight the same fights the white boys club has done all along - like hubby billy and his 8 years of murder toward Iraq, like 'obliterating' Iran, while forgetting her coo cooing of humanitarian words she will kill Iranian women and children because she's a 'fighter'. cluster bombs.
many many examples.

Hillary is not a fighter at all, she's actually very inept in most things she says she's accomplished were mostly on the backs of others and claiming as hers. not much talk about sCHIP lately, eh? wonder why? and how about the good fight behind closed doors and martinis and guffaws for that gallant health care thingie she 'fought' for. and really fighting so herd against NAFTA. and making a 'mistake' about the bankruptcy law. and yada yada etc etc.

this is really her 35 years of expereince - oops, haven't heard too much of that either lately. She's running like she's a virgin altruist politician all of a sudden.

good gawd this is a comedy, not a campaign.

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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:10 AM
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41. You are right
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 09:12 AM by DeschutesRiver
and actually, I would feel this way about any candidate saying fight like Hillary is. I am fed up hearing it. It comes through loud and clear that those words are being used from a place of fear (of not getting what she wants), insecurity, and a basic inability to understand what the hell is going on.

No, there is not a thing wrong with fighting, but Hillary hasn't the first clue about what fighting is or isn't. If she'd wanted to "fight" for people's rights and sufferings, she'd have already begun doing so in whatever capacity she has served. So far, I've seen her play the role of WH First Lady hostess, lawyer for the Rose Law firm who can't even remember a single thing the woman did right, a senator who kept quiet as a mouse and worse, didn't even try behind the scenes to get serious legislation done - you know, the kind that a woman with her vast connections and experiences actually being in the WH, married to the Prez, could have snapped her fingers and made happen. Didn't. Won't if she were in the WH either - just because you have put the "years" into an occupation like politics, it doesn't mean you are experienced. I guess many are too stupid to ask, when she say ready from day one due to my experience, exactly what is the quality of your experience?

It is't much, because Ms. Ready from Day One couldn't even give an example by running a well funded, well connected campaign into anything other than the grounds. Ms. Experience had an almost insurmountable lead. Not only hasn't she done much in her 35 years, but what pisses me off is the lies and pretending that she HAS done things - or the taking credit from others for herself, for things they did. That is probably the most cheating low thing you can do.

She is unstable, an unbalanced, fearful, insecure person who has no business holding an office that holds the nuke button close by(same way I feel about Mr. Bush). I want someone who does know how to fight - who has the savvy to get people the things they need while making them understand why you can't have everything you want (ala rolling stones). Who can fight too in threatening situations without showing stark terror and screaming about obliterating whole societies if they don't do as they are told to do. Man, that was a scary Hillary prounouncement.

It does freak me out from time to time that this hasn't become more obvious to people that Hillary is like this. If ten years from now, I wrote down everything that she has said and done, and didn't put a name to it, and asked people if they wanted a candidate who said and did these kinds of things, the answer would be no. Followed by "must be a republican".
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:45 PM
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25. "She argued she has won the popular vote" - yet another lie from her.
So glad this will be over soon - and that her utterly delusional supporters here will have to stop lying about Obama or go the fuck away.

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avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:47 PM
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26. Yeah - the leader in the popular vote is 'delusional'.
The candidate who leads McCain handily in PA, OH, and FL is 'delusional'. Trying to talk sense to the superdelegates, who have to decide between winning(Clinton) and losing (Obama), is 'delusional'.

If you think all of that is 'delusional', you're the one who needs to take his meds.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:51 PM
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30. She's not leading. Try reading.
She lost, she will concede, and you will get over it.

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tledford Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:54 PM
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32. Go away, Karl. nt
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avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:01 PM
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34. Ooooh. I'm Karl ...
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 09:22 PM by avenger64
... Is that Karl Marx? 'History weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living'.

And History is repeating itself isn't it - Florida 2000, Florida 2008?
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:49 PM
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28. But fighting WHAT? Fighting FOR WHAT?
No comprende, Hillary. I'm not going to become an astronaut and you aren't going to be the nominee. All you're doing now is showing your ass.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:49 PM
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29. Slate's deathwatch gives her a 0.4 chance of winning
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:53 PM
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31. Come Wed. she won't be able to fight her way out of a wet paper bag
and will crawl off with her tail between her legs and a ruined career of any kind in politics. Hope it was all worth it for her.
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:03 PM
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35. This woman is cruel
to be leading on her supporters like this when she knows very well that this thing is lost. I blame her for all the hard feelings her supporters have. She has done nothing but help to encourage division and disunity. She is an egomaniac!
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:18 PM
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44. Excellent point. She is very cruel.
If she cared at all about her supporters she would be honest with them. But instead she continues telling lies to feed into their hate-filled frenzy.

She doesn't give a damn about anyone but herself and her lunatic husband.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:33 PM
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36. Her "let's keep fighting" mantra has always bugged me.
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 09:47 PM by Hansel
She's not convincing when she says it for one thing. But I'm also fricking sick of the fighting. It's time to find some way to get some work done. That can only happen if we stop the perpetual campaigning that goes on between the 2 parties.

It makes the Democrats look like we are starting from the weak position. "The Republicans are stronger, but if we fight harder we can beat them." That's always been the DLC way. Like the Repubs are right about everything so we have to be more like them but just fight harder. Pathetic.

Instead of fighting harder on the Repubs turf, why not just work smarter by changing the game? Make them have to "fight harder" if they want to keep playing their game until they find out it doesn't work anymore.

The last thing we need is a president whose approach to our problems is fighting and playing the same old game.
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:48 PM
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47. and how much 'fighting'
has she really done during her time in the senate. She has caved in on everything the republicans wanted. IWR...ok, so she made a mistake. Kyl-Lieberman...nah that's no mistake AND SHE'S NO FIGHTER!!!
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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:40 PM
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37. Point, point, clap, clap, point, point, clap, clap.... n/m
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:48 PM
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39. Clinton hopes for switches
June 01, 2008

Clinton hopes for switches

Ken Vogel reports that in a press conference before taking off from San Juan, Hillary Clinton reiterated Terry McAuliffe's suggestion that her campaign might court Obama's superdelegates.

“One thing about superdelegates is that they can change their minds,” she said, adding that a superdelegate on board the plane had committed to her, switched to Obama and then back to her.

Her point — that superdelegates aren't locked into their choices — is a technically valid reason to stay in after Obama has locked up a majority of delegates, as he's likely to this week. But the political reality is that the direction of flow of superdelegates is toward the winner.

Asked if she accepted the 2,118-delegate threshold as the finish line, she said “that’s a question we’re going to be considering,” suggesting her campaign might appeal Saturday’s Rules and Bylaws Committee decision on allocating Michigan’s delegates.

She dodged a question about whether she plans to continue traveling the country campaigning after Tuesday’s last primaries in South Dakota and Montana.

“I’m a day-to-day person,” she said, adding that she has “closed very strongly” and “dominated” Obama since February 20.

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:51 PM
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40. Hillary knows it's over.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:31 PM
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45. kick
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:07 PM
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46. "Keep fighting" is the best possible lesson she could teach us.
I want to see her fight to have everyone's vote counted when she isn't running. I want to see her fight now to end the war she helped to start, and not hold that power hostage, contingent upon her election.

Same goes for Obama. Electing a Democrat is only the next step in a long, long fight to save the nation. We can't relax after the nomination, after the election, and especially not after the inauguration. Keep fighting, y'all, for all Americans and for all the world.

Not just for a candidate's coronation.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:56 PM
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49. "Let's keep going."-Captain of the Titanic
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:57 PM
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50. She forgot the "amongst ourselves."
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