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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:32 PM
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From a former GOPer. "Time to stop playing games." I think this says it all.
These aren't my words, but I wholeheartedly subscribe to them.
This came into my inbox from a Siegelman listserve I belong to.

It's time to stop playing games. As someone who was a Republican until I came out in 1991, and then never went back, I know a thing or two about party loyalties. You don't get to switch back and forth, lest neither side trust you. You pretty much get to switch one time, and even then you'd better be able to prove you're for real.

Well, now it's time for Hillary's staff and supporters to pick a side. It's their one chance, and there's no coming back.

It would seem that a number of Hillary's top supporters, and a lot of her fans, are more comfortable helping a Republican become president if Hillary can't win the nomination. Some of that is, understandably, just talk - it sucks to lose, people are are angry. But at this late date, cheap talk is no longer acceptable. We have to reunite our party in time to successfully take on John McCain. And people like Mandy Grunwald, Harold Ickes, Terry McAuliffe, Howard Wolfson, and so many of Clinton's other staff, surrogates and rich donors, have already caused major damage to those efforts. Hillary and her team have successfully changed the national mood of Hillary's supporters, at least, from one of disappointment that their candidate lost, to one of outright anger that her nomination was supposedly stolen away because she's a woman. That's ludicrous. Yeah, there's been some sexism by irrelevant third parties, but I just don't believe that Hillary lost because a guy is selling nutcrackers in the airport. Hillary lost this race because Obama ran a better campaign.

Not to mention, I still get a chuckle out of the fact that Hillary's supporters think a white woman faces more obstacles in America than a black man. Not to go all Hillary-morbid on this, but for all the anti-Hillary hatred in America, Obama is the one dealing with far more speculation about his safety, and it's not because no one cares about Hillary's safety. It's because a lot of Americans, at least bigots in America, have a far greater problem accepting blacks than they do women. It doesn't mean women have it easy. It does mean, however, that Hillary's supporters should stop pretending that it's easier to be black in America than a woman.

Up until now, you guys claimed you were still fighting because the brave people of Florida and Michigan needed you. Well, they don't need you any more. Yesterday, the brave representatives of the brave people of Florida and Michigan reached a deal acceptable to them. You no longer have standing, or the right, to continue a battle on behalf of the people of Florida and Michigan when those very same people have decided that the battle is over and settled to their satisfaction. If you continue fighting now, it's for your own personal ego; it's because you want to see Obama lose in the fall.

Hillary and her supporters have this week to get on the bus, or the bus is leaving, and they're not going to like where it's left them. If Hillary's top supporters and staff think it's better to take this lost battle to the convention, in an effort to hurt our party's nominee and help John McCain become president (where he can launch a few more wars, reinstate the draft and put every American's kids at risk, appoint at least two more justices to the Supreme Court and overturn Roe v. Wade (which he says he wants to do)), then please do help put another George Bush in power for another four to eight years.

But if you do that, know that you're no better than Joe Lieberman. You're no better than Dick Morris. You're no better than any Republican who got us to where we are today - bankrupt, at war, hated worldwide, and with an economy in tatters. And just remember, Republicans don't get hired as consultants in the Democratic party.

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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:37 PM
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1. Whew!!!
Now that gave me goose bumps! Good post Trof.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:50 PM
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2. Thanks. Like I said...
Not my words, but surely my sentiments.
I was for Edwards.
When he left, I looked at the field and decided Obama more reflected my hopes and beliefs than anyone left standing.

I'm not an Obamabot.
But I do respect the guy and what he's made of himself.
And the rabid Hillary supporters are really pissing me off now.
And they're pissing everyone else off.
:-(
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:57 PM
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7. Trof
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 06:59 PM by Howler
I am a kucinich girl myself But my husband was an Edwards supporter.
We both came over to Obama because we feel he is the best person for the job too.
Yeah I'm pretty tired of the rabid whining from some Hillary supporters too.

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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:53 PM
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3. Are all Siegelman supporters this perceptive?
I want to apologize to all Alabamans for a remark my grandfather (a lifetime resident of Tennessee) used to make regularly. It was something like "Thank God for Alabama (sometimes he used Mississippi). Without them Tennessee would be the dumbest state in the US."

Any state that would elect this good and kind man governor several times (even though he didn't get to serve the last time) deserves better.

And I fully agree with the post as it pertains to the victimization of Hillary Clinton. Just a glimpse into the kind of priveleged, upper middle class upbringing she was so fortunate to receive makes her claims of sexism seem ludicrous.

I was so impressed by your post I made another contribution to Seigelman's defense fund.


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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:59 PM
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8. Bless your heart.
We've always said the same thing about Mississippi.
"If not for them, we'd be on the VERY bottom of every list".

And thank you for helping Don Siegelman.
He's busted and can really use the money to pay his legal bills.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:46 PM
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16. As an 8th generation Mississippian (from Possum Town), we pay Alabama the same compliment.
I think both Mississippi and Alabama are good places to be from. As for me, I left shortly after my high school graduation (from the school's last segregated class) and I've never looked back.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:46 AM
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18. I left in my early 20s.
Spent the next 30 years out of state, pursuing my career.
Lived the longest time in southern NH, near Boston.

I came back in 1993 and realized a lifelong dream of waterfront living. Property was still relatively cheap down here then.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:48 PM
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21. I Would Ask If They're All Such Big Assholes
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 06:49 PM by Crisco
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:53 PM
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4. Read that list of names of her henchmen and realize all these people were working against
Gore and Kerry, too, and all of us Dem voters.

The Clinton-Lieberman wing of the party that could never find a reason to oppose Bush publicly but had no trouble finding opportunities to undermine Gore and sabotage Kerry and other Dems since 2000.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:54 PM
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5. Operation chaos folks....
the media is going to point out how Obama has lost the support of the folks that listen to Rush limbaugh. The Reagan Democrats. :-)
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:55 PM
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6. Well, this thread has 8 recs and 2 replies (one mine) so far.
So I think I'll just keep kicking it until...maybe...GD-P begins to 'get it'.
:bounce:
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:01 PM
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9. Author is John Aravosis of Americablog.com. Link to original here:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:06 PM
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10. Hey, THANKS!
It just came to me in the listserve.
Had no idea of from where.
merci
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:15 PM
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11. Dear Abby: I'll call this thread "The Unsinkable Molly Brown".
Because I will kick it over and over again.
Count on it.

Just sign me:
Tenacious in Alabama
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:38 PM
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12. Thanks for posting. k&r
That is lovely and oh so reasonable. Some of them will get it. The true believers in Democracy will find it feels great to support Obama.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:50 PM
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13. K&R n/t
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:04 PM
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14. Um, no thanks
It will be a cold day in h*** when Dems need advice from GOP'ers, even "former" ones.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:10 PM
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15. Indeed. Time to either get behind Obama or admit that one is not a Democrat.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:50 PM
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17. Sound reasoning, IMO. - K&R
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:05 AM
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19. Well said!
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:12 PM
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20. :kick:
:kick:
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:03 PM
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22. Oops, too late for me to rec it
Great piece!

(I about lost it when you said "bless your heart" upthread: I've seldom heard Southerners use that phrase in any but the most sardonic way, heh.)
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