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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:11 PM
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Mom difficulty.
When me and my mom voted in the NC primary we both voted for Hillary (I am glad my fist vote was for Hillary). I now have switched my support from Hillary to Obama. I am trying to convince my mom to vote for him in the GE but she refuses and instead says she will write in Hillary. Hopefully by the time to vote she will vote for Obama. My mom is a slightly right leaning independent who hates Bush but says she will not vote for Obama. Everyone wish me luck in persuading her to Obama.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:12 PM
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1. good luck. nt
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:13 PM
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2. Moms can do what they want. Drive her to the polling booth.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:15 PM
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If on election day she is still saying she's going to write-in, make her walk.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:17 PM
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12. What did you give your Mom on Mother's day?
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:55 PM
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18. Then make her fix your transmission
And move those barbells up to the attic!

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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:14 PM
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24. THERE'S a vote of confidence in democracy ...
:sarcasm:

Bake
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:21 PM
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17. ..
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:13 PM
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3. ccharles, I hope that she follows your example.
You rock.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:14 PM
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4. Just wait. Still a long time until the GE. Sen. Clinton will at some point
throw her support behind Obama. When she does, that will be the time to convince your Mom.
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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:14 PM
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5. Tell your mom that this is not about her it's about our COUNTRY!
We need to do whatever it takes to bring our country back!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:15 PM
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6. She wants more people to unnecessarily DIE
Our troops and Americans that will be affected by
policies of a third Bush Administration..... SAD.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:15 PM
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7. How does she feel about the possibility of endless wars?
Is she comfortable with the Iraq war and bin Laden running loose? How about the decimated military? Would we be forced to draft people if there is a sudden and large escalation of international violence in the world pursuant to more saber-rattling and a first strike by a short-fused executive? Are you draft age?

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:15 PM
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8. Send this to your mom.
Excerpt below, but the entire diary is very compelling.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/1/194832/9161/895/526946

I can't keep quiet now. I've just been watching a white woman in my age group on CNN going radioactive to the cameras about how she's going to vote for McCain if Hillary Rodham Clinton doesn't get the Democratic nomination. She gave as her rationale for this chop-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face tactic that the Democratic party has turned on its women supporters.

To this woman, if you and others like you are reading this: and you'd like the proven record of Republican conservatives for their all-out war on women's rights? We're now paying the price for three decades of conservative domination in America---what it's done to the American character; the fact of American commerce now as morally bankrupt as it is; the abuses of Wall Street; the abuse of the environment; the poisonous cynicism and corruption of this administration---I could go on for pages.

Back to the issue of women's rights. You, woman screaming into the cameras: you are old enough to remember the pre-Roe v. Wade days in America. Remeber coat hangers, Drano, women hurling themselves down steps, women dying and left unable to bear children from illegal botched abortions? Remember birth control outlawed? Remember the early 1970s, when a woman could not get a credit card or bank loan in her own name---when a woman needed an adult male co-signer's permission for them because we were deemed incompetent to manage our own financial affairs? Remember when sexual harassment and open sex discrimination were legal? Remember when we didn't have rape shield laws, when marital rape wasn't illegal? Remember when a woman being used as a punching bag by her husband had no recourse---had no earning power, no options, when the police she turned to often were abusers themselves and sympathized with the husband, when domestic violence shelters weren't even a twinkle in anyone's eye?


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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:07 PM
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19. I am old enough to have lived through all that.
But I would not respond well to it. It has a lecturing tone, a condescending tone. If someone tried to persuade me using that, I would tell them to take a hike.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:21 PM
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29. Same here
My mom would throw that at me. I'm just hoping she'll come around on her own because right now, she wont even discuss voting for Sen Obama. She'd never vote puke - says she's going to skip the race or write in Hillary.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:04 PM
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32. Huh.
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 04:07 PM by VolcanoJen
My own mom is just a lot different, I guess.

Personally I didn't find it condescending and lecturing, but maybe I don't really think this primary has been personal. We have all women in this nation to worry about, not just the one who perceive some kind of slight.

Just my nickle, but there you have it. I usually just say "John Paul Stevens is 88 years old. I rest my case." To me, the argument is no different than the one posed to Naderites voting against Gore in 2000.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:16 PM
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9. My mom is the same way...
She's always been about the Clinton dynasty though.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:17 PM
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10. Explain the issue of the SCOTUS
Explain how every decision today is close and we are a single seat on teh court away from Alito and Scalia being the judicial norm in this nation. Then explain that the votes on the court that support basic human rights are John Paul Stevens (88 years old), Ruth Bader Ginsburg (75 years old), Stephen Breyer (69 years old), and David Souter (68 years old). Then explain that what amounts to a swing vote on the court, though considerably more right wing than Sandra Day O'connor was, is currently Anthony Kennedy (71 years old).

At a minimum, two left leaning justices will retire in the next four years. The swing vote and another left leaning justice could retire as well.

Not voting for Obama amounts to voting for another Alito or Scalia on the court.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:17 PM
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11. ccharles000, you're of draftable age, no?
That's something she ought to consider.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:18 PM
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13. Here's some scary stuff on McCain:
Divorced his first wife after she was badly hurt in a car accident (and that's after she nursed him back to health from his POW time in Vietnam)
Calls his current wife Cindy a trollop and a C*NT.
At least two Supreme Court justices are going to be replaced in the next 4 years. If Pro-choice isn't important to your mom, she better thing about Women's rights in general.
He's not all bad to his wives. He covered up his current wive's drug crimes and embezzlement from her company in the 80's. The people investigating the crime had bad things happen to them.
He was part of cause of the savings and loan crisis (think sub-prime mortgage scandal on steroids). Search on Keating 5.
He likely won't make it his full term and you'll be left with <Fill-in-the-blank-incompetent-bush-bot-#-2>
He will continue to outsource jobs to China and India while strapping us with an even bigger Iraq War debt, crumbling the country into bankruptcy.
I could go on all day, but that should be enough reasons to get you started.

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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:19 PM
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14. At least she won't vote for McCain
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:19 PM
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15. give mom time
just like you she will do the right thing at the right time

Senator Clinton will make a great speech that will help her.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:21 PM
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16. Give her time.
Let everything play out in the Democratic primary. There will be time enough when everything is over.

Some of the way you approach this may depend on your mother's age. What did she experience growing up and as a young woman? Draw on those experiences to show her why she needs to vote for the nominee. McCain is not good for women. A write-in is the same as a vote for McCain.

You may also want to let her know how a McCain Presidency would impact you, her son. Will you be able to own a home and have a job under McCain? Could you be drafted?

Timing is everything in politics. Some other event may take place that will help you. I am almost sure of it. These contemporary republicans are Keystone Kops. They will do something.

Good luck and God bless you and your mom.

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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:09 PM
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20. Just prove to her that Obama is no more liberal than Clinton
Compare their Senate votes. I believe Americans for Democratic Action has a tally and rates them on their "liberalness". While liberalness may not be a desirable trait in your mom's eyes, you can show her that Clinton and Obama's ratings were identical.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:11 PM
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21. Get her the film the 11th hour it might sway things.
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palindrome Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:11 PM
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22. Question Authority---
But not your mom.
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:13 PM
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23. She'll come around, give her time. It's best to not...
push it for a few weeks, if at all. Just lay low and let mcshame convince her. mccain will be our best campaign device. he's truly a gift.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:17 PM
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25. Just go easy on her. This election was historic, in so many ways.
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 03:18 PM by KAZ
Good luck ccharles!

On edit: I have faith in your Mom since she raised such a nice son. :)
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:19 PM
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26. I've got the same problem
Every other member of my family will happily vote for Sen Obama. Mom flat out refuses and wont even discuss it. I'm hoping that by the time fall rolls around, she'll change her mind.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:19 PM
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27. I'm tired of trying to convince. You know what I say to them??
Blame yourself when your life is miserable under President McCain
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:20 PM
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28. Point out issues important to you and her and how Obama and McCain differ on them
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miles 2 go Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:42 PM
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30. What is her reasons that she will not vote Obama?
Is it just the things the Hill supporters are saying now? They will come around. They really want Hillary to win and they are pissed and feel like they got a raw deal. They will almost all come around and vote for Obama. I think the only ones who will not are the ones who won't vote for him coz he's black. I'll bet that's not her real issue. I think she will warm up to him.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:05 PM
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33. I don't know why.
I believe that since this was her first vote and she is now paying a lot more attention to politics than ever. She has invested so much emotion into Hillary that is is really hard for her to think about voting for Obama.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:56 PM
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31. "Mom, I'll have to live with the consequences of this race longer than you."
My mom switched.
She's in her 80's, it may be the last primary vote of her life.
She first said she didn't know enough about Barack. I asked what did she know about Hillary? She responded that she had at least heard of her.
Mom takes advice from me on many things, I didn't need to go over the issues with her, she trusted me.

I was prepared, however, to make this plea: "Mom, I'm going to have to live with the consequences of this race longer than you."
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:06 PM
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34. Have your say, and then respect your mom's decision regardless of her choice
She has the right to make up her own mind and do what she feels is right.
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:06 PM
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35. Ask your mom to view a few Iraq war websites.
How many more will she enable John McCain to kill in his 100 year war? Who children and grandchildren will she be o.k. with sending into harms way for five dollar a gallon gas?

http://icasualties.org/oif/
http://www.obleek.com/iraq/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html
http://www.squidoo.com/deadbabies
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