No matter what happens tonight, DU will never be the same. The hate and bile

may be quieted but it will never regain the high ground. It like a smashed pumpkin, you can bake it into a pie but it will never regain its true form.

It's very sad and a shame.

And comparing 2004 to this primary season is like comparing a trip through Disney land to a ride through Hell.

I lurk occasionally just to see what Obama supporters are saying, because they took over this site months ago.

I'm no longer a "DU'er". I will never donate again. This primary has destroyed any credibility this site once had.

been taken over by Kerry and/or Dean supporters...Well, I'd have a nicer computer. It may have lasted longer, but it's all the same old.

opps....

Seems sorta hypocritical... :shrug:

I think I've given enough money to this site over the past four years to earn 3 or 4 posts a month.

Then again, even that seems like pointless masochism.

Bye.

:hi:

:hi:

don't let the door hit ya etc etc

That paints the picture.

you do realize he is the presumptive nominee right? You do realize he has BEEN the presumptive nominee for months now right?

Sadly, your report is accurate.

But, as you see here, that's ok because your experience is invalid.

primaries began. You act like roving bands of Obama supporters got together one day and decided to rip DU away from it's membership like some kind of invading army.

I've been a DUer for years, long before Barack Obama decided to run for president, and long before I decided to support Obama. Just because the majority opinion of a group to which you belong doesn't jibe with your minority opinion doesn't mean the group has been "taken over". You're welcome to have a different opinion, but you can't act surprised when folks disagree.

There's just more of us on the internets.

of the hatred. At any rate, the race was over in March, after Super Tuesday.

just because there are more of us than there are of you. that's why he WON the nomination.

"no longer a Du'er" and yet here you are. Let the waaaaahmbulance take you elsewhere.

And this is far and above the most embarrassing display of hatred I've seen here at DU... and is only matched by the degree of hatred one would see at FreeRepublic.

n/t

This is now.

is what we make it. it is and always will be the same grassy meadow I come to for information, spew and laughs. All that happens is once in a while storms come through. but its like rose Kennedy said: after the rain, the birds sing.

If people want to whine and mourn something that is still here, fine. but it will be what you make it. self-fulfilling prophecy.

GO, DU!

We're a tough bunch.

It negates the OP's point entirely. Pumpkins will rot anyway, and the VERY BEST thing you can do is to make pumpkin pie.

I carve the jack-o-lantern and we cook the seeds. Baked pumpkin seeds are great when they're seasoned correctly.

To get to the yummy goodness.


:yoiks:

but did you get the message I sent you asking for a snail mail? I didn't get a response. Just making sure you got it.

I'm kind of moving about a lot lately. Don't worry. I'll get back to you.

Has to be the funniest thread killer ever

Sorry to burst your drama bubble, but been here, done that, will probably do it again, and again, and again. Primaries are cantankerous things, get used to it. DU survives, you will survive.

I know there are a few who might be hoping what your post says will happen but they will be sorely disappointed.

Was here in 2004 and am still here in 2008.

You are EXTREMELY wrong.

Or at least that was the popular myth here on DU.

Why get whipped to a froth over nothing?

Everyone was parroting the meme that gays cost John Kerry the election. Get with it, man. :mad:

It was a bullshit meme, and the entire fucking board did NOT join in on that bullshit.

I'm not a fucking man either. Jesus fucking Christ.

:mad: :rofl:

Sorry, I got carried away, but I remember on November 11, 2004, trying to sign in to DU and the circuits were SO overloaded, only people who were registered to check in, and it stayed like that for I guess about a week. And apparently, while not the entire effing board joined in, a SUBSTANTIAL minority portion DID pile on, saying that John Kerry's refusal to throw gays under the bus helped contribute to his defeat.

It only served to firm our resolve that he was the one we needed.

DU is one of the biggest breeding grounds for rumors that I know of... with FreeperVille and dKos being tied for the #1 spot;)

I must have missed something.

It was not like this, but only because it didn't go on as long.

I went back and looked at some of my old DU posts from the 2004 primary. Turns out I had forgotten all about the Dean vs. Clark battle here. Oh my God that was a pain in the ass. DU picked up a slew of new usernames with Dean and Clark in them and they just went at it. Since I had no brief for either of them I was mainly annoyed, but I did worry about the effect it was having on DU. Turns out there was none. I doubt anyone even remembers that fight now. The legion of Kerry-haters (remember DU is more left than the party as a whole; he was not most people's first choice) eventually came around and supported him.

This will pass *once we have a nominee.* The only way that neither DU nor the party comes back from this is if we *never* have a nominee. Which right now seems like a possibility, but that's only cause we're all exhausted and partially insane.

cheer up,

The Plaid Adder

Grown ups move through conflicts, maybe kicking and screaming, but they do.

and I can't remember the guys name..but there was a poster who had been here for quite a while, and then let it out that he was actually I think a freerepublic denizen.. Oh God what was that guys name.. sooo.. I don't think it is as dark as you might think.. for one thing this is a monitored board.. now digital dems, now there was a meltdown.. that was scary.. that would not happen here

He would also post rumors that nuclear bombs were going to detonate in the Twin Cities right before the election, citing that a convoy was leaving the Minneapolis Armory in downtown. We'll not only were his paranoid rabid posts obvious trolling, but the Minneapolis Armory hadn't been used for military purposes since the 1950's. :hi:

and you know that name is not so familiar either.. :).. Old age will do that to you.. but I do remember the volcano that went off in here

but I've seen more bile in arugments over who the final cylon is or the mystries of Lost than I have seen on this site.

This place was a blood bath, but it didn't go on for so long. There have been flame wars and hurt feelings since this site's creation and yet we still move forward.

:)

I still wanna go, and some of the rest may indeed be there. The tubes of the internets stretch many furlongs.

:hi:

were really looking into it.. I thought I just could not survive another 4 years of Bush and Co.. but here I am .. and posting too.. gosh wonder what will happen in the next 4 years:hi:

Seeds germinate in order to grow. That's a fancy way to say that the outside of the shell rots, and provides fertilizer for the plant.

Some of the most name-calling, knock-down, drag out, high-volume arguments I've ever had -- sports, politics, you name it -- have been with people who I still consider my closest friends. It's called life. Get over it.

If your skin is that thin, you really need to be spending your time at the needlepoint board. On the other hand, I hear some of those grannies can be kind of outspoken when it comes to which stitch is best.

Geez.

It's the alternative to all of us being forced to smile and say the exact same things and support the exact same people with faux unity.

How can you not love it?

The level of vitriol during this primary has been ridiculous. Will DU survive? Sure. But speaking for me, and me only, I won't forget some of the posters who have directed needlessly vile crap toward me. "Memory hole" my ass.

Bake

but honest to pete.. as hard as this is.. I have seen worse.. because there are monitors here who will not let it completely unravel..I have seen much worse.. Digital Dems was awful.. this looks like a cakewalk compared to that.. of course that really was an invasion from the outside, and it was a board that you had to pay to get on.. they paid the price but were able to just melt the place down.. and Doonesbury got pretty ugly 11 years ago..

Sometimes I think politics brings out the worst in us.. or at least exposes our underbellies a little, and it gets personal really quick..like what someone is saying about a candidate is saying it about us

I'll go out on a limb and name a couple of names here. TahitiNut and CatWoman. Ardent Obama supporters. But you know what? We respected each other BEFORE the primaries, and I'll still respect them long after this election is over (and I hope they'll extend me the same honor!). Even though we disagreed, they never found it necessary to get nasty with me, nor I with them. I don't think we'll have any trouble putting aside our disagreement over the primaries.

There are some others, though, who shall remain nameless ... well, you can guess the rest.

As for Tahiti and Cat, :hug:

Bake

and I would be upset too if that had happened to me ..I am just guessing, but the posters who did that, probably did not realize they had made it personal with you.. just a big old general roar at the universe for their candidate.. and to be truthful with you, I have been Clinton supporters, who probably did not realize how a snarky comment could seem like a personal attack also.. just roaring at the universe as it were.. :)

I suspect there a more than a few others who feel that way. And that affects the vibrancy of discussion on what is supposed to be a DISCUSSION BOARD. We're all the worse off for it.

Bake

I really am.. but I think it is going to get better.. but if someone said something really awful, I guess you would not just shift it off easily either..sometimes nothing like a cup of coffee and a chat.. :pals::donut:

In that sense when our last two choices were a woman or a person of color, it's a worst-case scenario.

Many people chose their candidate primarily on the fact that they're most like them.

that has to be a big part of it..just we like them.. because honestly there is not a whole lot of difference in their program proposals.. so yep..I bet it is as simple as that.. just we liked that person better..

This primary season has been uglier than I remember seeing it, but it will always change. People leave in disgust or get tombstoned, new members join, and the resulting adjustments create a kaleidoscope effect

I loves me some cobbler! :P

I think it's a good thing that views, and attitudes have been exposed. How can you possibly eradicate a disease if you don't know you're sick?

That's certainly what it sounds like to me.

I love it when "progressives" or "liberals" get into ideological purity matches, with each side wanting to eradicate those who aren't quite as pure as THEY are.

Bake

the 'disease' I speak of is not posters, or human beings, it is attitudes and that which prevent us from becoming a force as 'we the people'. I have learned a lot about myself in this primary season, and I expect others have examined their own beliefs as well. I think it is very "progressive" to acknowledge our differences, and those divisions.

Hint: you don't get there through purges.

HATIN' ON McCAIN!!!

:bounce:
rocknation

The most hateful and bilious will all go back to freeptardland where they came from. Peace will descend. It's all good.

and don't mind baking Hillary a little to finish her off. :rofl:

It's really sad.

Give it a couple of weeks/months...we'll be fine by GE time...

I have no problem with the DU GDP forum because it accurately reflects the mood of those posting here. I would rather have an honest portrayal of the emotions and beliefs of posters of a forum than some sanitized play-nice version.

If Hillary and Bill can stop their hate/divisive/bigot-pandering/insulting OBama's supporters and African-Americans, then the active resentment will die down and the board will move on to a more positive coverage of the campaign.

But you cannot blame DU or its posters for reacting in anger to a campaign the Clinton have turned in to the worst Bush/Rove campaign possible.

There are some people like me who will never forgive the Clintons for what they have done, and any time the Clintons become part of the discussion, I will probably be quite honest about my feelings about them.

But that's just how message boards go. They reflect the sentiments of the posters, and anything else would be false and dishonest.

You lost me.

Things change as do we. We're going to be fine.

BTW, the hate and bile established themselves here long before the primaries began. It all came about when DU became a magnet and breeding grounds for every loser in the country that hates the Clintons. DU is in essence the Anti-Clintons Underground.

Despite the incipient insanity bubbling away in some of HRC's odd fans, I dislike her completely on her own merits.

It's about the candidate.

Oh, never mind, go pout.

Might as well hand it over to the other sorry candidate grandpa McCain now! Sorry I'll on vacation in Europe in November

Get your attention fix elsewhere.

and defeat McCain!

n/t

--Mao Tse Tung

It's amazing.

Some of the most divisive GD:P'ers are suddenly saddened that DU will never be the same.

Boo-fucking-hoo.

:-)

hope you feel better tomorrow

The spineless Admins let this shit play out to display their faux bi-partisanship. :eyes:

Sooo.... they lose a few old DUers. No biggee.








Making dreams come true

it's all about ad hits, now.

That's what makes it unique.

Wah, most of DU supports Obama! Tough shit, it's not the mods job to keep the number of supporters even.
Wah, some Obama supporters say horrid things about Clinton! Yeah, they do but I've seen a lot more Clinton supporters talking shit about Obama and, based on personal observation, they've been more vicious about it too.
Wah, some of Obama's supporters have been sexist! Yeah, ok, this one's actually a fair point.
Wah, my candidate didn't win! Sorry for you but that's life.

The anonymity of the internet frees people from the rules of civil discourse...

:D

We'll be fine. :hi:

here about everything that Hillary does, or not.

It is clear that Obama will be the nominee and he certainly has offered a hand in peace but his supporters here, on DU, continue to express their hatred.

All I can hope is that most of they are young kids who don't know any better.

The adults among us, know that when it is over, it is time to reconcile and, yes, it is the gracious winner who often would offer the peace offering.

After all, we did build Germany and Japan after WWII

DU will be just fine. The question is, will you be?

Nothing is permanent and everything is temporary.

You can never step in the same river twice. This too will pass......