What about the Flight Physical?

somebody posted a fantastic link about that yesterday, which cut to the heart of the issue, very simply, succinctly.

I hope somebody reposts it

til they do, I'm going to start a new one every day on this

Why? lots of reasons, but today's is that I'm watching that vile cretin John ONeill on CSPAN, "debating" Kerry about Vietnam

did he say ONE WORD about the medal controversy then?

what do you think?

why NOT?

the link to which I refer says categorically that, even if daddy covered it up, there HAD to be some sort of investigation, as one does NOT skip a physical, and NOT have it looked into

that, in itself, is tantamount to going AWOL, and the poster said is NEVER ignored, under any circumstances

also, the point was made that the coverup was surely to protect poppy, as junior was a lowboarding ne'er do well, with zero political ambitions, while daddio was the quintessential sleazy, ambitious politico, whose sons blacksheep activities would have stalled his career in their tracks, had they been made public

from 1960 to 1968 and was told to go get a physical it was not a request but an order. Had we have failed to show up for it we would have been put on report and had to answer to a Captains Mast.
How Bush could be grounded for not getting a flight physical without any disciplinary action is a largely unanswered question that the press has yet to ask.
Yet Kerry is questioned about the things he did right. And the press just goes along with it.

* is a deserter, who wasted a million-dollar (at least) education at flight school get hammered and working on olitical campaingns. No one did anything aboutit then, and NO ONE is going to do anything about it now. Focus on november 2.

that's PRECISELY the point

the PHYSICAL is the concrete issue with which to hoist this verm on his own national security petard. AWOL is too nebulous, indefinable for most. Why, I don't know, but the missed physical demands explanation. there are RECORDs for that, and if THEY turn up missing, after all the others, it SHOULD be the straw.

not to say it will be, but it should.

somebody has GOT to make an issue of this

Senator Inouye?

Senator Cleland?

are they saving this?

like for the FINAL WEEK, as they did in 2000?

I just don't get the dems

they're AFRAID to play like the pugs, and this isn't even DIRTY!!!!

it's the TRUTH!

and there was talk of an Article 15 (non-judical punishment, for those that aren't familiar with military justice).

To completely blow one off? Man, I just can't imagine. It certainly never happened the whole time I was in (8 years).

thanks, vickers

Hope is on the way :kick:

Your "up chit" from the doc is more precious than gold. To blow off a flight physical long before actually leaving the service is unthinkable, unconscionable.

I'm writing a letter to an idiot talkshow host, who did a segment on Swiftboats, and I'm trying to explain to him why BUSH's VN days are MUCH more relevant, and the flight physical info is NOT debatable, at least until he RELEASES the records of that particular incident

All branchs of the military, and each military post, or Guard and Researve Unit that maintain the smallest aircraft have a required Flight Surgeon. The Flight Surgeon is considered the Primary Care physician of all those that are connected to flying status. The Flight Surgeon is specifically trained on health and requirements of those military personnel on a flight status/assignment.

The initial report coming from the Whitehouse on Georgie's failure to appear for a required flight physical was that his private physician in Houston was unavailable......as usual the media whores let it pass and nothing more has been said about this statement.

Having been assigned as a civilian who worked closely with Army Medical Personnel and with a joint effort of Air Force and Naval Medical Personnel, I am fully aware of what the function is of a Flight Surgeon. George refused orders when he failed to have his required Flight physical and should have been immediately reprimanded. This only proves that Georgie and daddy used connections.

How and why was Georgie not a candidate for OCS Officer's Candidate School.....no one entering the service no matter what college they come from has the knowledge and requirments of what is required of an officer. Why did Georgie only attain the rank of 1st Lieutenant???? After his required committment he surely would have attained a higher rank than this.

that other thread, which I hope somebody will post, cause it's much more complete, has the THREE stories 'explaining' why he didn't take the physical, including the personal doc, the one about being in Alabama, so he didn't need to take it again, and I can't recall the third, maybe along the lines that, since he gave UP flying, he didn't have to take one again

who SAID he could just decide to quit flying

I bet a lot of those pilots in Vietnam would have liked to just QUIT, too, especially the DEAD ones

and WTF does McCain have to say about that, fellow pilot that he is?

does he KNOW about that? he must

he ought to be asked that question EVERY time he appears in public

I talked to him four years ago on a radio and crossed him up on AWOL, but didn't know about the physical, but had I, THAT would have been the question

bearer was nothing but an empty suit

he LAUGHED when I said it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/02/21_lies.html



Read The Right Stuff by Tom Wolfe to see what real fighter pilots say about the flight physical. There are two ways to walk out of a flight physical: well and grounded. To be grounded by "doc" is abhorrent to a fighter pilot.

then the book

back when he could REALLY write!

one of the most interesting books I've ever read

funny as all, too

almost as good as Electric KoolAid Acid test

reread that last year

time to hit the Astronauts again

thanks for reminder, and thanks for that thread

wish Marty Heldt would come back here

article, in particular, which was about the physical

thanks for reminding me

can I put that part up here?

Thanks

What the spin-miesters are avoiding, however, is the beta-star in the Bush constellation of lies: Lt. Bush's "missed" flight physical and subsequent suspension from flying. It is not spin-able because Bush, unwisely and uncharacteristically, told an itsy-bitsy white lie about the flight physical that was so disingenuous and transparent that it has now become an egregious damn-lie. Bush flippantly explained that he did not comply with the requirement to get his flight physical because his personal physician was not available. Pants on fire!

Lt. Bush lost his qualification to fly the F-102 when he failed to take his flight physical in July of 1972 and was suspended from flying the next month, August 1972. This is the most salient point of Bush's short, and oh-so-sweet, service record. As a former military pilot and airline captain, I can only imagine the reasons for not taking a mandatory flight physical, and none of those reasons are pretty.

Why did Lt. Bush, apparently on his own, decide not to submit to a mandatory flight physical and incur a suspension from the flying that he told Tim Russert on Meet the Press (February 8, 2004) he "loved"? There is no record that Lt. Bush ever obtained the medical qualification required by regulations, nor is there any record of Bush ever flying a military sortie after his suspension in mid-1972.

The missed flight physical becomes the crux of Lt. Bush's problems with his guard service. Why would TANG want him back in the unit if he were not qualified to fly? Why would AANG take him, even into a non-flying billet, given that he had, de facto, disobeyed an order to take a flight physical? Submission to the annual flight physical, required of all pilots operating under the auspices and regulations of the air force (as was TANG), was not an option; it was a mandate. In July 1972, by skipping his flight physical, Lt. Bush also failed to comply with new USAF regulations concerning mandatory drug testing. USAF regulations are not bent or broken without serious consequences, for most people.

All other issues regarding Lt. George W. Bush's service record in the Air National Guard derive from the missed flight physical. Expect the self-proclaimed "war president," Mr. Bush, to get hammered on this in the months to come. Meanwhile, don't look for any RNC campaign ads on TV with Bush doing his vainglorious strut on the flight deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln. The aircraft carrier publicity stunt is now prime-time fodder for the Democrats.

for DemoTex piece below!!!

Thanks for the surgical work to expose the beta-lie part.

Mac

Is it just a coincidence that the year (72) Bush missed that medical exam is the same year that GW supposedly used cocaine?

Would such a medical examination in '72 uncovered his cocaine use?

...should have taken place shortly after the Pentagon began random checks for drug use. That about says it all.

However, with these jerkwads one must always consider any loony subterfuge. Maybe he DID take the physical, and failed it. Is that a possibility?

We need to see the disciplinary reports.

if they still exist

if ANYTHING has been destroyed, SURELY it's paperwork surrounding this area, which has to be the most crucial aspect of his sorry record

This is one story that we can not let go of. It has teeth and we need to stick with it. He failed to show up for a required Flight Physical and nothing they can say will excuse that fact. It is All About Character , have we heard that expression somewhere before? If he thought so little of Military Decorum back then what does he think now?

it's MUCH more effectively stated than everything here

know which one I mean?

it's very interesting

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