Sorry people, but only the Hillary Haters on DU have a problem with her being VP......

Huge Obama supporter here and still agree that Hillary as VP wins the election for us.

Most of my Obama friends and other Obama supporters outside of the DU have NO issue with it and think it is a good move.

This place is not like the "Normal" USA voter.

Hillary as VP. Live It! Learn It! Love It!

We shall see.

Used to think Clinton wouldn't accept VP and that it'd be a liability but I've warmed to the idea of a Obama/Clinton ticket. I think they would undoubtedly win if the supporters won't feel its a sell out for her.

And skip right past the most pertinent post in the thread.

By a 60 - 33 percent margin, Democrats say Obama should pick Clinton as his vice presidential running mate.

71% of Clinton supporter say yes, 47% of Obama supporters say yes.

edited to add: 43% of Independents say yes

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1177

I'm pretty certain I also saw something similar from Gallup in the last month, but I can't find it.

That means the OP is wrong.

More than half of Obama supporters according to that poll don't want her. These aren't fringe lunatics. More than half of independents don't want her. Again, not fringe lunatics.

That's a substantial portion of the electorate. Independents are especially fickle and they will play a key "swing constituency" role in the election.

It says that they would prefer someone else. That's a big difference. I was only pointing out to you that the numbers have changed over time. Obama supporters will vote for him regardless (with a few lunatic fringe exceptions). Clinton supporters will overwhelming support him if he picks her as the VP. That's a big number.

But most Obama supporters are cool to the idea. Can we agree on that?

Based on that fact I think it's clear the OP is mistaken in his claims.

I also agree that the OP is mistaken. There are a variety of reasons that many do not support this idea. I think it would be accurate to say that those Obama supporters who are saying they would not vote for their own candidate is she is on the ticket tend towards the Clinton-hater side, but they are a small group.

HA! I thought you had me on ignore. I am pleased that you did not.

But I don't remember you ever being on it. I've been reading your posts for some time.

:)

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However, they do have different reasons for thinking that way.

And please understand that I like Hillary and think she would do fine in any office.

Except she is not electable BECAUSE she will mobilize the RW base like no other.

Just would be a huge mistake.

Anyone with a scintilla of common sense knows that Hillary would be a disaster for the Dem ticket.

We are SO close to making a clean break from the old school politics. Rewarding her for this trainwreck of a campaign just seems wrong to me. Surely, of the 280 million people in the US, there's someone capable we can pick.

If she's on the ticket, then they'll be whining about how Obama treats her. If he acts at all like he's the one at the top of the ticket, they'll all break out their pots and pans and yell SEXISM!!!

This party will be better off without those dried-up dead-enders. Let them go work for McCain -- hopefully, they'll do him as much good as they did Hillary.

Now is the time to be talking unity. Such vitriol is not necessary at this point.

The bittermans DEMANDING that Hillary get a spot on the ticket can kiss my black ass.

to the rethugs. Obama and HRC are so popular and people are so hungry for change, McClone would not have a chance.

Do you tie a 50 ton boat anchor around your ankle when you go swimming? I wouldn't advise it.

Perhaps it would make no difference period in the real world whether she is or isn't. Perhaps thats why he should choose someone he thinks that he can work most effectively with.

I don't hate Hillary, and I don't want her to be VP. You do realize, I hope, the flawed logic in your OP?

...wants to see that ticket ~ and it has nothing to do with hate (which is such a ridiculous myth around here). Instead, it has everything to do with the change movement, something that is bigger than Obama (as he well knows).

She is unacceptable for VP. She is dishonest, untrustworthy, and disloyal. He's be insane to put her on the ticket.

and I don't think she should be his choice. She's the anti-change candidate.

Make Bill secretary of state, but leave Hillary in the job she's got.

for months and months and months.

I've got another unused Hillary sticker waiting because if she's the Veep, I'mn poutting it on./

;)

Everyone I know that actually *worked* for Obama is against it.

particularly with Bill's shady post-presidential dealings and his increasingly loopy stump behavior.

In other words, you're wrong.

I don't trust BFEE enough to want Hillary as VP.

I never hated her, just didn't want her as the nominee. But I agree that she would be the best choice for VP for two reasons. She's a solid Democrat and she's a great politician who has a lot to bring to the ticket. I hope he picks her and I think he will because I think he's above silly grudges. At least I hope so.

imho.

No problem.

Like I said, it's my opinion.

Some Obama supporters will be bitter to the end if she is on the ticket, but most will get over it.

DU does not resemble reality.

...thank you very much...

It STILL amazes me that people just cannot get it through their heads just exactly how much hatred the right-wing has for this woman...


To put her ANYWHERE on the ticket spells doom for the GE....and thankfully Obama knows that...which is why he will pick someone else...he will offer her "Healthcare Czar" or some such thing....make her walk the walk for a change...

I remember in 1980 when the GOP forced Reagan to pick GHWB at the convention.

We got more war.

V2: will great minds collide from time to time? Of course. Can Hillary (often perceived as egocentric) play a no. 2 role? Yes, I think her resume pretty well covers that. But what people really must remember is that once Obama takes the oath, he's going to need two additional Obamas and three Hillarys (or whomever) to tackle the rot and crud that will be exposed after the last day of the Bush Administration. I guarantee that all of our petty squabbles will soon be forgotten once we see how dire the situation is. I hope I'm wrong, but we'll see.

are against the idea.


Clinton hurts his chances to win.... and suffocates his ability to govern if he does win.

to counter McCain. That is what it's all about. We now have to think about attracting Independents and even Republicans, not just Democrats.

I come to DU these days just to read the funny stuff...

Sad but true

I just know that her slime gets aired, at length, if she's VP. No thanks.

Her presence on the ticket, even as VP, kills down-ticket democrats in Texas.

who ever he picks will be good with me. Yes, I dislike the Clinton's. Bill was a Republican lite president. He kept Alan Greenspan as fed chief, did the NAFTA deal, not counting supporting numerous other trade deals. Alan Greenspan's economics has helped put us were we are as a country. Broke.

Thanks for your concern :hi:

No one brings out Republican scum like Hillary or Bill Clinton. I can't understand why people don't see that.

Both candidates have hinted at this a LOT!

I hope he does choose her... I can't see uniting all the whiners unless this does happen.

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:eyes:

Contempt for her? Yes. Distaste? Certainly.

But, hate? I'm too old to expend that much passion on someone so insignificant...however deserving she might be.

some stuff different day

After the Bosnia sniper LIE it was all over. One does not recover from flagrant lies like that to become prez or VP. Period.

Don't you think that's a bit reactionary?

I've been sorely disappointed with her and her behavior through this campaign. I've gone from feeling good about just about any of our candidates to being sure she comes in near the bottom of the heap - simply because of what she's chosen to do and say during the campaign.

I also think there is a significant portion of people in the US who simply do not like her and will not vote for her. I'm not going to pretend that they're all opposed to her for good, objective reasons - I know many are not. In fact, I argued with many of them for years because they had no reason, just dislike.

But not all of those who dislike her do so without reason. I don't hate her; I do feel sorry for her. But mostly, I feel very disappointed. She could have been so much more. She could have chosen the high road, and a path toward uniting us. She went for divisiveness instead and it tarnishes her and her campaign in my view.

Yes, DU is not like the "Normal" USA voter. But neither are "most of your Obama friends and other Obama supporters". Those people are likely to vote for any Dem.

A very large perecentage of USA voters are, however, "Hillary Haters" (she has very high negatives), and the right will be so energized it's ridiculous just on the basis of voting AGAINST Hillary. Right-leaning fence sitters / independents who might not otherwise vote (and may vote Obama) would turn out in numbers to vote against Hillary. I think you underestimate the extent to which the Clinton name fires up our opponents.

As I posted elsewhere today, when Hillary ran for NY Senate, there were yard signs (YARD SIGNS) in FLORIDA promoting her opponent.

We have a very energized voter base in this election thanks to 8 years of Bush. Any Dem candidate is going to get out the vote. Yes, Hillary might get out more than Obama alone. But putting her on the ticket would instantly give the Republicans a very energized base whereas they have none now, and I fear would result in record turnout for their side as well. Otherwise, a new face or two (Obama, Webb maybe...?) and they won't feel such a strong urge to turn out and vote against the Dem. They know we need a change, too.

but it's not my decision to make.

All this talk from her today seems just so much drama. It's like she won't get off the stage, even for a minute.

in the GE. Maybe you haven't been paying real good attention, but you can **take it to the bank.**

know that along with it comes the DLC, Bill, Lanny Davis, Ickes, a boat load of lobbyists, and a truck load of baggage.

There's more to it than just Hillary as VP....

:rofl:

None of the handful of people I know in my everyday life who voted for Obama in the primaries wants anything to do with Hillary when the primaries are over, especially wrt to offering her the VP spot. To a person (and for the record none of them are DUers), they want anyone but her as VP.

Hillary is morally and ethically equivalent to bush or cheney. Two ends of the same worm. If hillary gets the VP slot you can kiss change in American politics good-bye it'll be more of the same old shit. Obama will also have to spend most of his time watching his back.

should be against having her on the ticket.

It's the worst of both worlds and turns a probable defeat into a near certain loss.

that have nothing to do with "hating" her.

First of all, how do they get around her campaign statements that she is ready to be president and Obama isn't, including the praise of McCain as more "experienced"? - the 3 am phone call ad.

Next, how can Obama stay on theme as the candidate of "change" if he brings on board as his veep someone with a past in the White House, though in Hillary's case as first lady?

Trying to be diplomatic here, but what about Bill's potential bimbo eruptions in the future and having a former president looking over Obama's shoulder all the time?

Check out the Hot Girl Bill is supposed to have been hitting on





There he is with his finger pointing again!!!!

I don't even want to start covering his shady deals since 2000

and all the other stuff mentioned in the Vanity Fair article Bill went nuts over yesterday.

She would be much more effective and leave a tremendous long-reachinglegacy there than she possibly could as the VP. She is a Yale Law School grad, she served as legal staff on senate committees, including the Nixon Impeachment one. She is an advocate for womens' right. Keep Roe v. Wade in Place. She is an advocate for the right of children and now a champion of workers' rights. Hilary on the Supreme Court would instantly tip the current balance from a corporate facist majority of 5 to a more moderate, liberal, progressive majority. With one or more appointments and Obama presidency fo two terms could tip the balance for generations. The worse tragedy of the 2000 election was that a single individual - that fifth vote on the U.S. Supreme Court (Pooy Bush's court) gave the election to Bush Jr. and now almost eight years later, the country and the world have not been in worse condition since the early 1930's. How many human lives have been destroyed by these war-profiteers since 2000? How many people physically and emotionally damaged for life? How many millions displaced from their homes and towns, children maimed and starving? One vote on the U.S. Supreme Court allowed this horrible administration to take control of the reigns of the US government and war-making machine.

Not, much Hilary can do as the VP for the things she cares about. If she were the V.P, she and the President would have Bill constantly sticking his nose into everything, wanted or not. Who needs that? He has almost single-handidly lost the campaign for her. I actually think that if she were able to run a Bill-free campaign (including his old team of advisors), we would have seen a very different Hilary. I think her true judgement and compassion would have come through, rather than the mean-spirted, desperate "fight" of constantly attacking and fault-finding with Obama, the media and anybody who criticised them.

I say get behind Obama for President and let's put Hilary on the Supreme Court! Now that is a winning team. I have not been more hopeful today than anytime I can remember with the prospects for real change with our Country.

I'm on my third choice for president so far, though, so I've had practice with disappointment.

Stop making shit up.

reason enough for you, eh?

because he's a smart guy, but I do NOT trust her. I never will again. My advice, if he asks her - "watch your back." Never will love it.

Hill-haters who are not members of DU. At least there were some at our last meeting.

I remember how you were really telling us just how great he was.

Heck, I remember back in 2001 when you said; "I know this guy, Obama, who's going to be President one day!" :eyes:


Just so that you know; I don't hate Clinton, and I don't want her on the ticket.

How do you explain that?

she would undermine Obama's authority at every opportunity. And don't think for a second that Bill wouldn't interfere as well.

By the way, I know plenty of people outside of DU who think it's a terrible idea as well.

Of course I'll vote for Obama either way.

don't be so naive.

are the ones opposing Hillary as VP.

She would undermine him every step of the way, and feed insider information to the GOP and the DLC.

I do no understand this suicidal tendency to want to cripple Obama with Hillary Clinton. She cannot win the primary and she sure as hell can't win the GE. Choosing a double loser as someone who will help Obama win is just NUTS.

by Obama and the party, which would detract from their efforts to put Red states in play.

I do not hate Hillary. She is not my favorite, but I would have voted for her, sure as rain in Oregon. I am just concerned about the potential consequences of having her on the ticket.

Hillary Clinton has polling NEGATIVES that have a floor of 45%. She is viewed as untrustworthy by a majority of the American electorate. She is a deeply polarising figure who is roundly hated by conservatives, many of whom are not thrilled with McCain, but who would vote AGAINST her. Her presence on a Democratic ticket, given her negatives, is something that would most likely alienate independents and disaffected Republicans otherwise inclined to vote Democratic. Her presence on the ticket would undermine Obama's message. Her selection as VP makes little electoral sense.

:shrug:

She has, and always did have, very high negatives. Granted, most of those aren't her fault but the Repubs have publically admitted that Hillary would be the best GOTV tool they ever had.