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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:55 PM
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Okay, I'll wade in...what exactly was so terrible about Hillary's speech?
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 10:00 PM by senseandsensibility
I purposely didn't watch or listen to it. But I glanced through the threads here, and there is surprisingly little content. I'm not trying to be confrontational. Maybe it really was that bad. But how, exactly?

Didn't we already know she wouldn't concede? That's why I didn't listen to begin with.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:57 PM
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1. Let's start with she was introduced as "The next President of the United States"..
It went downhill from there. She said she's better positioned to win swing states, etc. It was her typical stump. She didn't have to conceed, but she also didn't have to keep fighting like she still has a chance to win either.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:17 PM
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35. The person introducing her said that, or a newcaster? I didn't hear that.
My newscasters were chatting amongst themselves trying to decide if it was really Sen Clinton or just Chelsea and Bill. Shame on the introducer or whoever said that.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:23 PM
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41. McAwful said that. He didn't need to do that. n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:40 PM
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44. I missed that intro. That's dreadful n.t
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:57 PM
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2. What peeps don't understand is...she doesn't have to concede..
The convention is the decider and anything can happen..if it does she is still in..if she concedes..we start all over again.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:59 PM
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5. I don't haaaaave to. You're not the bosssss of me.
What are we, six years old?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:59 PM
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:01 PM
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16. See you in Denver!
:patriot:


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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:03 PM
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19. She doesn't have to concede because we have a candidate.
Her perspective on the race is not reality. She can pretend it's not over if she wants to waste her time, but she has lost.
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SpookyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:07 PM
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28. Very true, but she can continue to do a lot of damage. n/t
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:11 PM
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31. That's the way I remember conventions from the "good old days" -
- that the convention was when it was decided who the nominee would be. There would be all this build up and excitement for the announcement of the nominee's name and no one knew for sure until the convention. I mean, that was the entire REASON for the convention, right? Maybe some aren't aware or just don't remember that.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:14 PM
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34. You're absolutely right. If she wants to take it to the convention,
tear the party apart, and ensure the Presidency of John McCain... that's her right.

I'm sure you can afford that.

My children, 13, 7, and a little girl who just turned 5, cannot.


So understand that if Clinton does this, I'll pretty much be hoping she burns in Hell... K?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:41 PM
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45. Anything like assassination right? Screw you and your warped delusions n/t
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 10:43 PM by Catherina
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:57 PM
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3. It was a very nice victory speech.
It's just that some of us think she actually lost. Silly us.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:58 PM
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4. LOL
I didn't know about the "next President of the US" intro. I get the pciture.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:59 PM
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10. See you in Denver!
:hi:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:21 PM
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39. See you on another board
:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:23 PM
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42. See you on youtube with your friend Harriet!
:hi:
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:59 PM
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7. Well, to be fair, either Obama's speech or Clinton's speech was lightyear's better than McSames....
Obama's was just better...
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:43 PM
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46. Obama's was electrifying n/t
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:59 PM
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8. Well to start with it she didn't bow and scrape to Obama in front of her fervent supporters
who just worked like hell for SD. And did I mention that are Dem's? And then there's the fact that she didn't congratulate Obama even tho' she was addressing her supporters in SD.

So its your standard piss on the woman cuz' she didn't do everything for everyone.

She knows its over, its over and she knows it.

Could it be the Obama supporters don't realize that?
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:08 PM
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29. She didn't even say his NAME! How disrespectful.
Obama has been nothing but respectful of her, can she not even mention him BY NAME?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:47 PM
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48. I thought she did but I was vacuuming at the time
Didn't she congratulate him on his win? Someone said she congratulated him in his campaign instead of his win but however she put it, it didn't jar me at the time. Is there a transcript somewhere?

For the record, I'm absolutely NO on the VP issue. She lost fair and square and there's no reason he should be burdened with someone who's not a natural, trusted fit, no matter how many pots and pans some "supporters" bang.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:47 PM
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49. Yeah, that would be the first thing on my mind as I won SD and a cadre of solid Dem's
was standing there in front of me feeling both goos and bad. Sure, I'd want to call attention to the new kid on the block.

Absolutely, that's what powerful people do. Its what you'd do, right? Wrong.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:12 PM
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32. "bow and scrape to Obama in front of her fervent supporters"
It's called a CONCESSION SPEECH. It's called acknowledging reality.

You do realize that it's possible - and very common - for candidates to issue a concession speech with plenty of class, don't you?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:44 PM
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47. I realise that she just won SD, however useless that is and that you don't shit
where you eat. And she will issue her concession speech in good time. Anything else is just unrealistic.

And no, I don't need lessons in political timing from you, however genius like you may be.
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:50 PM
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53. Bow and scrape?
I guess in Hillary World, giving credit to your same-party opponent for a hard fought race is bowing and scraping. Funny how the definition of that term has shifted.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:59 PM
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9. It was basically "Me, me, me"
and that was it.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:59 PM
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11. Wish I knew. I missed it too.
I came in late and have no idea what took place. Guess I won't until tomorrow now. :(

Gawd I wish My DU was working so I could just check back on your thread and see WTH happened.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:59 PM
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12. It seemd like just another stump speech...she even included
her web address. For me, I think she missed a real opportunity to unite the Party and to carve herself a place in history.
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AlabamaBrightBlueDot Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:00 PM
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13. Divisive
She will make sure the almost 18 million who voted for her will never be invisible.... after noting that over 35 million democrats came out and voted...

She wants to hear from her supporters how much they want her to stay in the race- please go visit the website.

She had a unique moment to begin the healing but chose not to do so.

I had hoped that she would have exhibited style, grace and begin to unify her supporters at this very emotionally charged moment behind the nominee.

I have always expected better of Hillary then she was willing to put forward.
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:17 PM
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57. If she was divisive, Im done with supporting any unified ticket
Ive shut my damn mouth again and again on this board. He has been SO gracious to her. If she can't be this way back to him, I don't want that crap 'Dream ticket' anymore.

I want my white shirt President. And WHOMEVER he chooses on his ticket.

As Ariana said..She wasted a moment..
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:36 PM
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60. You described some of the critical parts of her speech
After awhile I barely listened as she did her usual "I" will make sure you get health care, jobs, etc.. The usual stump speech only she named all the issues this time. Someone should count the times she say "I". No class or respect for the process.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:00 PM
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14. It was ungracious in failing to acknowledge Obama's win, grossly self-congratulatory, and delusional
in the suggestion that she won't be making any decisions yet (as if there was any decision left to her now that she strung this out to the end and the voters took her out of the equation kicking and screaming).
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:01 PM
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15. Start with the introduction
She was introduced as "the next POTUS" and, reading between the lines, it seemed to me that she was threatening to run her full-on campaign all the way to Denver, kneecapping Obama and deliberately sabotaging the GE.

I thought she was going to concede, I would have settled for a speech that was less triumphalist and more conciliatory.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:01 PM
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17. It was less than graceful, imo....
Instead of encouraging her supporters to begin the journey to her concession she gave them false hope that, based on their support, she would make her decision. That was, flat out, wrong and corrosive in it's intent, imo.

I did not expect her to concede but I did expect her to begin to lay the foundation for such a move by helping her supporters to understand the inevitable conclusion.

Her speech was without grace.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:03 PM
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18. Thanks for the description.
I'm glad I didn't watch.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:04 PM
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20. This was Obama's night and she stole some of his thunder
Not a big deal in the long run but it's common courtesy to let the presumptive nominee have their climactic finish.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:05 PM
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21. Sounded to me like she wants to go her own way
almost like she wanted to start another party.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:06 PM
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24. Really?
How so?
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:05 PM
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22. HRC's speech was not terrible as much as it was not GREAT
There is a point in a peoples and nations life when it gives rise and birth to those BORN with a determined WILL to EXPRESS the GREATEST of a nation and people and INSPIRE them TO GREATEST. Such is the fiber of Obama. Americans are seeking and longing for the PERFECTION of our nation.
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SpookyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:05 PM
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23. Perfectly reasonable question.
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 10:15 PM by SpookyCat
From my perspective, first as was mentioned, being introduced as Next President.

Then she was still playing the I'm the stronger candidate card, which again, plays right to McCain.

Then she played the 911 card again. These are the things I recall off the top of my head.


It is possible that I'm just really fed up and parsing this too much, but that's how I heard it.

I am, to borrow my favorite English expression, gob-smacked!

(edited to change "phrase" to "expression"...)
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:07 PM
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26. Did she really play the 9-11 card?
Jeez.
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SpookyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:09 PM
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30. Yuppers. She sure did. n/t
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Donkey_Punch_Dubya Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:07 PM
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25. Hillary thought it was like golf: lowest score wins
She thought she just won the nomination. You should've seen after the speech when someone told her she actually just lost it. I think there was a fistfight, but I'm not sure.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:07 PM
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27. She did not acknowledge the Democratic Nominee..
I think it is interesting that Hillary is still waiting for the 'catastrophic event' to hand her the nomination. She can not disengage herself from the race. Should the catastrophic event occur and she had bowed out of this race, she can not rely on the Democratic Party to choose her as it's nominee.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:13 PM
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33. Graceless, classless, not one iota of conciliation, 'me, I, me, I', all about her.
Ego and arrogance.
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FatherTime1408 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:18 PM
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36. The supers haven't voted yet, and they more than cover the margin, why should she concede?
SEE YOU IN DENVER!!
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:47 PM
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50. I love posters such as yourself
You make me look smart. :D
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:18 PM
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37. read this....It is absolutely right on
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6259207&mesg_id=6259207
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:19 PM
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38. As Andrew Sullivan put it "Classless, graceless, shameless, relentless. Pure Clinton."
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:22 PM
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40. Dear Supporters:
Congrats to Senator Obama. I won South Dakota -- the last primary. Montana doesn't exist. I'm still negotiating, so don't give up; and, please, go to HillaryClinton.com and donate.

If I don't get offered something good, I'm taking all of my supporters and going home.

DISAPPOINTED!!!!

That's what I got.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:50 PM
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52. I think I get it
and I'm very glad I didn't hear it. It actually sounds funny now, but I'm sure it wasn't when it was happening.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:06 PM
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55. It was really looking like
her Sunset Boulevard moment -- especially after Obama's speech. She had a chance at greatness, but she missed by a mile.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:09 PM
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56. I AM BIG! It's the elections that got small!
I'm ready for my inauguration, Mr Chief Justice!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:18 PM
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58. Exactly!
:rofl:
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:25 PM
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43. two words
opportunity lost
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:48 PM
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51. "Content" = substance. You're surprised?
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:50 PM
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54. Comparatively?
She talked about what she can do to help the country, while Obama talked about what we can do together to help this country.

She didn't even acknowledge how monumentally historical Obama's nomination was, while Obama talked about all of her accomplishments.
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:20 PM
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59. She didn't acknowledge the facts of the day, which she could have done without conceeding.
She is challenging him publicly to force him to give her the VP slot and his people are saying it's pissing him off. Stupid woman.
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