Barack/Hillary '08

I've loved the Clintons for a long time, and that won't ever change.

That doesn't mean I love Obama less.

I love both Hillary and Obama.

I am so proud to be a part of a party...The Democratic Party....that would have these two wonderful people on top.

Tonight is historic. I only wish my grandparents were alive to see it.
I have no children, yet. But I hope one day I can tell them that I was a witness.


Since Hillary has not won the nomination, this is my dream...and for all the generations of Democrats in my family that have come before me, who were helped by progressive policy...

Obama/Hillary '08 :patriot:

.. I could live with and vote for.

Of course, I will vote for Obama no
matter what.

i was so moved...i misspelled :)

If you're right but I'll be heartbroken.

I supported Obama to break the DLC hold so people would have enough breathing room to go on to the next change. If he straddles himself with Hillary, I'll be too disappointed in him. I don't think Obama's much of a progressive but he's not tied to that machine and for the next 8 years, we the people own him as much as people can own a politician in this country. If he ties himself to the Clinton/DLC machine, I'm regretfully out despite my emotional and financial investment.

Her speech tonight .....

I am concerned about her mental fitness, at this point ....

It was a great moment to step back and unify the two camps, yet she choose a strange path instead ....

After years of supporting Clinton, tonight's pitiful display is giving me pause ....

I fuckin did a triple lindy off that bandwagon!

Bill ran like one (to get elected) and then governed
from the middle (the DLC, the "Third Way"). Watching
HRC try and position herself as a populist (liberal)
is like nails on the blackboard.

The '90s were their time -- it was the tech bubble, it
was go-go capitalism/globalization, the Age of NAFTA
and the Internet and WalMart. But that time is over.

Now it's time to pay the credit card bill for everything
that went down in the '90s (deregulation of investment
banks, the Telecommunications Act and the dumbing-down
of our electorate) ... WE NEED FRESH LEADERSHIP.

The Clintons have served well but it's time to get
off the stage and make way for the younger leaders who
will have to chart the course for our nation (and our
planet) in the 21st century.

NAFTA, almost-free trade with China, welfare "reform", institution of "extraordinary rendition" (i.e, outsourced torture)...

It means he's fond of Republicans.

It's like the story of RFK asking Lyndon Johnson to be his brother's VP. Obama is going to have to ask and she is going to say yes.

I think it is going to be Obama/Clinton and people are going to have to get used to it.

I know a lot of people voted for her in the Primary, but Obama won the nomination.

She is NOT entitled to the VP slot no matter how many people are pissed that she didn't win.

She got 18 million people to vote for her,
and won states that Obama didn't. So if
they pool their resources and popularity,
that might be a very good thing.

It was for Kennedy and Johnson, and it can
be for Obama and Clinton.

I just think that Obama has to be the clear
leader of this ticket, able to harness the
amazing Clinton energy and tenacity.

after the GOP gets done hammering home that Clinton would take over if something happened to Obama - something the Clinton Camp has already been pushing.

Dems will vote for the dem, McCain isn't really an option. Swing and crossover voters on the other hand don't give a damned about dems, our special interests, or our causes, they just want change from the last few years and McCain doesn't offer it. Neither does she.

Her support has always been more from the old line in the party, the same old line which over recent decades created the mess we're in. His came more from those dems who are sick of the old line plus independents, plus crossover repubs to a point. Look at who was voting for who before the Limbaugh chaos crap started.

Pulling her into the ticket offers little or nothing and it takes away quite a bit. It reduces his whole "change" message to a useless campaign slogan which he obviously wouldn't mean with the choice to add her to the ticket and that'll cost the ticket a hell of a lot more than it could possibly bring. The swing and crossover voters will leave and in large numbers.

If Clinton can't be adult enough to put the good of the nation first then her own people need to take her down. Look at demconwatch and it's already happening. Four of her supers defected to Obama just today. DNC Ben Johnson (DC) from Clinton to Obama, DNC Kamil Hasan (CA) from Clinton to Obama, Rep. Maxine Waters (CA) from Clinton to Obama, and DNC Rhett Ruggerio (DE) from Clinton to Obama. We do NOT have to deal with it, get used to it, or anything of the sort. All we have to do is to say no and stick to it. Her own people are bailing on her and day by day she'll have less press, less legitimacy, and less reason for anyone to care what she thinks about anything.

She can pull out while it still looks like her choice or she can limp away later obviously beaten down and with few to care or notice. Her choice and the time to make it is right now.

It's a winner!

Although Edwards would be a kick-ass candidate as well.

Please.

Obama/? is my preference for now

She is simply not the best choice.

:thumbsdown:

Sorry, no dice.

It could happen.

But I hope to Christ it doesn't.

:hi:

Me too. O8)

:toast:

I'm thinking maybe Obama/Biden.

That last thing Obama needs is a VP who thinks the GOP candidate would make a better president than he would!

It needs to happen this election, NOT later!

She brings nothing but conflict to the ticket and her own attitude assures that she has no place on it. Once elected a VP is just like the President in that they can't be fired, only impeached and convicted. Once in office there is NOTHING Obama or anyone else can do to stop her from doing anything she wants to and given the last few years of Cheney pulling the strings on a puppet Bush, the greatly increased power of the VP office, there's not a chance in the world it's worth risking her trying to run the show from the VP office. And if that's what she does there's not a way in the world short of impeachment to stop her.

She brings nothing to the ticket, most who support her will support Obama in the end as well. What's their choice? The certain loss of the Supreme Court, extension of the war, and so on? What few she does bring would be more than countered by the swing voters and crossover voters she drives away. She's a loss or break even at best before we even consider how she'll energize repub fundraising and voter turnout. She has NOT been vetted, as the recent Vanity Fair article and another in the Scottish press a few weeks before showed there are a lot of questions out there and many having to do with things done or people known since they left the White House. If he's got baggage to deal with she'll just double the load and make it harder to deal with.

Then we've got the obvious press questions. "Do you still think you're qualified and he's not?" "What are you doing on a ticket with him since your campaign suggested you and McCain love your country but he doesn't?" "How and when did he pass your 'commander in chief test'"? She's done little but to attack him and it's time to move on, not to deal with yet more of her and her attacks and spin. I'd be happy to never see her again a day in my life. If she just goes away and becomes the rather useless Jr Senator from NY until the next election when with luck they toss her out of office that would still be seeing too much of her. If she's on the ticket I'll stay home, it'll mean nothing less than the whole "change" thing was a campaign slogan and he doesn't really mean it. If it's not about real change it's not worth showing up for, more of the same under either party fixes nothing. Media consolidation, NAFTA, prison growth, deregulation, much of the problems we're dealing with today were established or strengthened under the last Dem President we had and that's what enabled Bush to do what he's done. Enabler isn't much better than the actor themselves, and I won't vote for it. She's just more of the same.

And thanks to Hillary pulling the piece de resistance of hubris which is also coincidentally the most graceless behavior so far this campaign (and she had plenty of episodes up for consideration), she has guaranteed the VP slot is precisely where she most assuredly will not be. But thanks for asking.

sorry, but i'm 47 with no kids- i don't really care too much WHAT happens with supreme court appointments.

No VP for Hillary.

She, STILL, hasn't learned the correct metrics for winning - whether it be the Presidential nomination or the VP slot. You earn the VP slot by carrying water for the Presidential candidate. Richardson, Dodd, RENDELL (tonight), McCaskill, Sebellius, Edwards... these people have proven that they can carry water for the Democratic Presidential ticket.