Y'all realize that every Clinton-bashing thread just keeps this all going, right?

I mean, do Obama supporters want Obama to win, or not?

Drop it. He won. Most of the anti-Obama stuff posted here now is just a response to some attack on Clinton. It's over. He won. She lost. I'm over it, or will be as soon as Obama supporters are. I came here today to post about the Senate report that Bush knowingly lied us into war. You'd think that would be big on this site, wouldn't you? But so far everything I've read or posted has been about a fight between allies on a subject that has already been concluded.

Move on. The only anti-Obama stuff I'll post from now on will be a response to anti-Clinton stuff. So, are y'all going to keep giving me an excuse to post it? I'm tired of it already, and I'm sure you are, too. The enemy's over there, behind that big R. Let's go get HIM.

The last I checked it was Hillary that was "keeping things going". When she taps out, we will follow.

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That's one of them. I have no doubt when she's on the campaign trail rallying support for Obama someone here at DU will find another excuse to trash her.

It's an unhealthy obsession.

:evilgrin:

I don't want to just beat him...I want this to be a landslide of epic proportions. I want the repuke party to know they will be out of power for decades. I want them to know that their criminal-supporting and warmongering has no place in this society. I want them to know they're lying hypocritical ways are done.

I want the repukes to know that Obama and the Dem party is the party of hope.

that we all get arrested for elderly abuse.

She hasn't conceded OR congratulated Obama, let alone endorsed him but WE have an unhealthy obsession?

:wtf:

any trashing her at this point is pointless and a waste of time. The reason why anyone still continues to trash her despite the facts is because they are so obsessed with hating her that supporting Obama is secondary.

that this time she will follow through?

That's unreasonable.

It took both houses of Congress to get her to move at all. It's not surprising that after all this work, people are upset.

I myself cannot wait until I can forget about her entirely.

Everyone, including KO, knows it's over.

So, yes. It's time to quit focusing on Hillary. There is no point. Obama is the nominee and getting him in the WH should take priority over that kind of pettiness.

I'm a Hillary supporter and I wanted her to win. It's not going to happen. Pushing her to take the fight to Denver is unreasonable and it will not happen.

What matters is Obama and his winning the WH. This is about taking back our country and putting it on the right track. It's time to get with the program.

need to know what to expect.

People on both sides need that gesture. Hillary's supporters and Obama's.

I never bashed Hillary or her supporters. The Dem primary is over now, and keeping the anger going between Dems is only hurting Obama's chances. Hillary is not the nominee and nothing she says or does now will change that. We won, and we can afford to try and be understanding to the people who were very invested in the candidate they supported who didn't win.

All of us who support getting progressive views back in the WH need to get focused on helping Obama get elected. It is not going to be easy-you know the Rethugs are revving up their RW slime machine to use against him. It won't be easy, but Barack Obama is worth all of hard work. He is going to make an awesome President.

but open up a can of HolyWhoopAss on ANYONE - Clinton, supporter, republican, media - who acts to undermine the Democratic nominee.

We know we have the whoop-ass available to us - let's put the lid on the can (with Clinton supporters) for a short time, and let them get back into the party of their own accord.

Slow the train down a bit, give them a chance to hop on, as it were.

I'm not ready to shut them out of the Dem party right now. Later on when they've had time to cool off and if they haven't changed their tune...then yeah, shut them out.

We know what has to happen. People sort of live over time, though, which is why Skinner is a genius. :)

Seriously, I don't get why people who trash her are so desperate for her "approval" of his nomination. He won whether she SAYS so explicitly or not. :shrug:

Don't mistake me. I wrote a note to the Obamas and to their campaign. If Hillary Clinton falls of the nearest edge of the Earth, it won't matter very much.

But, these small rituals are what keep us together as a group. They matter, a lot, to our cohesiveness as individual social animals who are trying to work together.

Why, for example, would Clinton deny her own supporters of that moment when she says it's over and thanks them, and grieves with them for what they all wanted together?

:shrug:

It's not just about Obama or his supporters at all. Failing to mind these gestures is a mistake.

rally behind him.

It's only been 36ish hours FFS... Edwards took many weeks to get behind Obama. The visceral hatred towards Hillary is rigoddamndiculous around here.

Endorsements are something else again. It's that concession that people need in their guts to know the thing is over.

But, you're right I think, as The Magistrate reminded me earlier. There is and has always been a lot of dislike for Hillary Clinton. Some of this is just the same old hanging on a new peg. I don't know what to do about that.

Lots of differences. The vast majority of folks who supported Clinton will do what's best for this country. And, fuck the rest of 'em. They weren't on "our side" ever really anyway. In my heart of hearts I believe that Hillary WILL rally behind Obama and work feverishly between now and the GE to get the Dems back in the White House.

I, for one, hope that all of this hate and venom from both "sides" stops real soon. It's sad and nasty and so very counterproductive.

I can't count the number of posts that have been, in a bi-polar way, trying to get this to STOP. They're very funny but also, very moving because the two impulses -- to kill your opposition AND to make peace, lol -- are equally strong!

Like this:

"All you fucking stupid morons stop your hating, you are ripping this fucking party apart with your arrogance. How ignorant can you be? Your candidate would be ASHAMED OF YOU!!!!!! I hope you are proud of yourselves!!!. You're driving voters away and don't come crying to me when we get THUMPED in November, you freeper @sshole trolls. Haters, every last one of you!

Show some respect. This is a big tent. Democrats can take the White House if we just work together!

peace!"

:rofl:

:hug:
:grouphug:

... regardless of the justness of our cause.

From a practical standpoint, I think it makes sense to stop beating on them, and make it easier for them to join us.

As long as they aren't actively behaving in such a fashion as to undermine the Democratic nominee, of course. Then all bets are off - but that holds for *anybody*.

and we the Democratic party.

If we win the presidency and both houses, I want the three of them to work organically together. I don't want a monolithic presidency. I want Congress and the Senate to push him to the left. I want the ERA back on the table. I want Roe v. Wade re-affirmed and tightned up so that the few pieces of it that haven't been dismantled are safe. I want universal healthcare. I want to sign Kyoto and work towards a better, stronger treaty so people can't claim that Kyoto isn't strong enough to sign. I want the national parks restored. I want ANWR safe. I want NCLB scrapped, and our public schools built back up. I want our small towns revitalized and our cities greened up.

We can accomplish all this holding all three branches of power. It's not about Obama. It's about the other things.

:toast:

It's all I've got at this point!

If we have an Obama presidency, I think that in order to justify all I cared about on this campaign, I need to do what I can to keep the torch burning on women's issues. I also intend to start watching the media with more scrutiny regarding overt sexism and misogyny. I've had my eyes opened in ways I didn't want to this primary season, but I really want to keep going on things like this.

I think the blogosphere had an enormous impact on this election, and I also think that we can keep the impact going on issues.

I want manufacturing jobs back. And Hillary's "Free Trade" staff pimping the Columbian free trade deal doesn't seem keen on that. So when she says she is for "Fair Trade", I think she's lying.

Well, there are a whole lot of Hillary folks still talking about the "popular vote". They're still trying to validate her right to either the nomination or the VP slot. As long as they're at it, we will counter.

This all ends WHEN Hillary concedes. Not when unnamed sources leak a story saying that she will support Obama and continue to pursue her "agenda" with "her" 18,000,000 votes.

A Hillary supporter lecturing others on unhealthy obsessions. :crazy:

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yeahyaright bearsquirrel.

just as I am keeping it going by responding to threads like this.

:shrug:

but insist all the division is caused by Obama supporters just add to the problem.

A lack of empathy is also to blame, if the roles were reversed, if it were Obama that wouldn't step aside, you would be outraged.

that any of us are having a hard time?

We'll be okay and soon, we'll be kicking John McMore's @ss.

So I have until Friday, better get some serious jackassery in before then!

:sarcasm:

:hippie:

lol

Too many can't be held responsible for their own actions and prefer to blame said actions on Hillary.

I don't get how some can't follow Obama's lead, yet still insist they are for Obama.

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Hillary herself can't. She's got your irresponsibility in spades.

Tell you what: I will when she does.

To ask people to be responsible for their own actions.

But the haters make it harder to be excited about Obama's campaign. Which really sucks, because it's such a historic moment. I don't get why people would rather bash & be negative rather than celebrating all the good things that Obama's candidacy represents. It goes totally against Obama's own positive message.

by not conceding that he is the nominee.
by "staying in it, in case sumpin happns." x3.
by continually apologizing w/o apologizing, campaigning but not campaigning, conceding but not conceding.
by perpetually obfuscating, manipulating, lying, triangulating.

we are perfectly capable of being excited about obama while criticizing an obstructor at the same time.

anyway, i see more "leave hillary alone!!11!" threads than (supposed) "bashing" ( :eyes: ) threads.

Joy! She's LOST, OK? She's ending the campaign already. It's time to get over the vitriolic Clinton-hate, it's not good for your health.

i won't get over it till it's DONE.

clinton "hate?" what a way to trivialize HER actions! i criticize her for things she DESERVES to be criticized on, and i'm a "basher." i observe my right to continue to do so, and i'm a "hater."

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when SHE admits her loss, i will stop "talking" about how badly she sucks, thanks mom/dad/parental/authority figure.

it is NOT ME obstructing the end of this race. I'M not the one not conceding.

The GD: P hate will continue, even after the race is done. And you can't take a clue from Obama himself & focus on the positive aspects of his campaign, even though there's no point at all in hating on a candidate that's already lost. Even if it alienates the many Clinton supp. who have pledged to support Obama. Cause the hate trumps all.

that whole "any criticism of my candidate is hatred" thing. every freeper or bushbot whoever told me that criticizing the war was "disrespectful" of bush. or that my contention that al gore actually won was indication of my "blind librul hatred."

* never earned my respect. and hillary has lost all of it, where she never even had to work for it.

my disgust for the clintons is not some irrational turd basking. it has been nourished for the last few years and especially the last few months.

i once loved them. as a teen, i thought very highly of bill, and dreamed of hillary someday being the first woman president.

after 9/11, and after we went to war, ii longed for the days of bill's presidency, and i longed for the day that hillary announced her intent to run...

alas, i was but a whippersnapper.

now i've seen the things that have proven my wistful naievette to be just that. i saw hillary vote unapologetically for IWR. i didn't "hate" her, but she lost some of my respect.

i saw her wax-poetic on the "experience" of a man who wrote a bill that removes habeas corpus and allows for torture. i didn't hate her, but she lost more of my respect.

i saw her mock her fellow candidate in a most obnoxious form, and then go on to "shame" on him.

i saw her threaten obliteration.

i saw her repeatedly avoid responsibility for her plethora of "mistakes," so many, that i have trouble believing she is capable of being right more than 10% of the time. that i started to wonder if she wasn't more republican than a democrat. i started to really dislike her.

i saw her repeatedly make references to an appalling and tragic event in order to make the point that she needs to stay in this race. that's when i was completely through with her.

no, i will not be quiet. there is a wolf in sheep's clothing in our flock, and i refuse to sit with my thumb up my ass and pretend its okay with me.

this is a discussion board, and i will continue to discuss whatever i want. see sig line.

Every fucking time you get a fucking chance!

Don't you see how childish this is? Don't you see what a fucking waste of time it is?

the first 1-300 or so of my postcount were spent on kucinich, and then edwards, and then debating on which "frontrunner" wagon to get on.

most of my "postcount" are jeremiah wright threads.
or bitter-gate threads.
or screw you racist/sexist threads.
(in short, defending my candidate)

though i admit, a fair share belong to the "in the race just in case" affair, where i was rather relentless as i was furious and am not ashamed of that.

i don't make it a point to open anybody's wounds- it's not my fault their candidate is so ridiculously prone to "mistakes" etc.

it's not childish, i'm not bullying anyone, and i don't target her supporters in my argument (unless debate is considered attacking, i guess like perfectly rational criticsm is bashing and/or hating), and i DO NOT "do it every chance i get." :wtf:

and i'm not wasting my time, thanks. i am doing what voters should do and not standing for the kind of republican poison the clintons have brought to this party. i want no part of them or the DLC, and i will continue to stand up against them.

otherwise, i'd just be a lemming, like those who voted for bush. and who continue to support the war. and who continue to tell me that i owe some sort of blind loyalty.

By continuing to blame others for your actions, and allowing them to dictate your feelings.

Self control is a very important trait to develope.

We are all in control of ourselves. No one can make us feel anything unless we are a willing participant.

i'm not blaming anyone for my apparently obscene willingness to participate in debate.

there is nothing wrong with my actions.
i am not doing ANYTHING i am ashamed of.
i am not behaving in a manner that merits shame.

hillary clinton is continuing on her fight (as of today), and i am continuing in my opposition to her.

excuse the fuck out of me for thinking that i had that right, and i'm so sorry if that hurts feelings- not that anyone gave a shit when my candidates dropped out.

keeps this going, don't you?

control what people say, think or feel doesn't it? Too bad we couldn't get this type of intervention during Rev. Wright gate but I digress. Now we got whitey gate. Have any of you that came into this thread bitching and pointing fingers bother to intervene with your divine wisdom and cant we all just get along mentality in the whitey threads yet? Or do they get a free pass because they are hurting from the Hilly loss?

Truly, I have tried to be supportive. I even cut her major slack for the non-concession speech she gave the other night but by acting with less than the proper decorum she's fuelling the anger. Most of the anger is because of mistrust. I am at the point now where I dare not turn my back on her.

Enough is enough. She needs to concede instead of tacitly encouraging certain people that if they just keep being nasty enough, Obama might not get sworn in.

For your sake and the sake of many other HRC supporters making the transition, I'll make a more conscious effort but I kid you not, the Clintons are making it very difficult.

discouraging anyone from commenting on it.

Are you over that yet? No. I'm not either. I'm never going to forget. That doesn't mean I'm obsessed, it just means that I don't simply forget about things the very next day and "get over it". I still discuss the IWR and the WMDs, and I welcome your post, despite the fact that it deals with events that took place in 2002/2003.

So now we have another historical event. Two historical events, actually: the fall of the Clinton dynasty and the first African American presidential candidate. Books are going to be written about this campaign for years to come; it will be part of the high school US history curriculum.

Moreover, Hillary Clinton hasn't even conceded yet. On Tuesday, instead of offering a graceful concession which recognized the historical significance of the moment, she gave that self-centered "me and my 18-million voters" rant. And some of her supporters are trying to shove her onto the ticket as VP.

It's all happening RIGHT NOW. So don't insist that we "move on" and stop talking about it. This is a discussion board, and I can't think of a more appropriate topic of discussion.

Sine you don't get over history, let's continue to become it.

And the Senate committee ruling that he lied came out today. That makes it news TODAY. Or did you miss that?

I get that news came out related to the IWR today. But it still deals with events from five years ago. More importantly, I'm not going to try and tell you what's old news. Like I said, I welcome discussion about the IWR. If I find it boring, I'll just read something else.

But me, and many other DUers still have things to say about the primaries. There is a lot of reflecting to do. The historic and inspiring campaign that Obama ran. The desperation and selfishness that characterized the last days of Clintonism.

If you're tired of it, then read something else. But you being bored doesn't make it old news.

Interesting logic.

You're not needed.

I won't stop until Johnny stops! Don't blame me! I was just swinging my fist around and she ran into it! Janie jumped off the building so I have to too! Susie has strawberry ice cream and I'm going to scream until I get some too! Harrumph!

:sarcasm:

be more on concepts or trying to understand what happened and why it happened.

A message board reflects the issues and mood of the participants. When Hillary ceases agitating and endorses Obama, it will quiet down even more.

One thing that doesn't help are the threads begging for Hillary as VP. IMO, those are now simply flame-bait. However, obviously some people still see that as a goal, and so it is part of the discussion until they are finished with it.

They just love the drama and hate.

Enough on both sides.

Can you link one? I've not seen them...even after hiding so many Hillary hating threads...