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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:39 PM
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Is Obama being used by the Clintons?

Is he being shaken down?

It sounds like Hilary is saying, 'if you want my endorsement, if you want me to get out of the race, then you must help me pay off my 20 million dollar debt?' To me that sounds a lot like extortion. And if so, why is Obama giving in to it? Especially when the Clintons are worth over 100 million dollars and can easily afford to pay off their own bills?

And when and after her debt is retired with Obama's aid, what is to stop her from trying to extort even more demands from him? I just hope he knows just what the heck he has gotten himself into. I just have never heard of anything like this happening before in an election, where the winner is somehow obligated to pay off the loser's large unpaid debts?

Unless I'm mistaken, there seems to be some sort of strange new precedent being set here.



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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:40 PM
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1. Nope - the Clintons are being used by Obama - and that is not a bad thing
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:40 PM
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2. No - he's taking control, just like he took charge of the party today.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:47 PM
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6. I sure hope so!
but Obama being involved with paying off HER bills sure is strange.

it sounds like a case of welfare for the wealthy, something Obama is supposedly against.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:51 PM
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8. I have a problem with that debt issue too...
Surely he won't use his supporters money ~ maybe a joint fundraiser, if anything at all
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:14 PM
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27. when he slammed lieberman in public like he did, he won me even
more. he's a gentleman but not a patsy. hillary is still counting her fingers.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:40 PM
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3. or, Are the Clintons being used by Obama...?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:46 PM
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4. It's over, and better than we thought it could be. Obama is the head of the Dem Party.
He knows it, and acts like it. There is no shakedown. This is gonna be sweet for all concerned.

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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:48 PM
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7. Don't think so - he BEAT the "Clinton Machine"
Now in the driver's seat. May help some with her debt, but is free to chose whom he wants to fill out the ticket.

If it is Hillary -- it will be on HIS terms, with a detailed Pre-Nup ala Bill etc.

If there is any extortion on her part - the newest kids on the block, i.e. the newly powerful blogs will expose it and it will get to the MSM to her detriment.

The media will give her a spotlight much longer than necessary, but let's hope the voters "get it" and zero in on his positives as opposed to McSame's lame attempt to distance himself from the toxic Bush.
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:52 PM
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9. How does it sound like she is extorting him? Are you privy to something we aren't?
She is shaking him down by refusing to drop out? Or endorse him?

He already won.

As far as knowing what he has gotten into, I am fairly sure Obama knows how to play politcal hardball.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:57 PM
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10. It works both ways
Obama is no doubt angling for Clinton's database of donors, email and mailing lists, etc.
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:13 AM
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26. "Obama is no doubt angling for Clinton's database of donors, email and mailing lists, etc."
Um, no, he isn't.

Why would he want to burden himself with her morally bankrupt base? The man has shown that he doesn't need to rely on any of the DLC bullshit which HRC so infamously entagled herself with to get to where she is today. For what possible reason would he want to court the Hillarites who have done so much to attempt to destroy his candidacy?

He doesn't need the die-hard Hillarites any more than they have a use for him. Barack Obama was smart enough, precient enough to realize that there is a "third way" to get things done in Washington: Bypass the fucking bullshit entirely, and appeal to the American people directly. Hillary didn't come to this realization, and for that reason, as well as her off-putting arrogance, and dare I say, hubris, she lost in spectacular fashion.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:59 PM
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11. I think he's too smart to let himself be used. He's in charge; he's in
control; he knows it, and if Senator and former President Clinton haven't figured it out yet, they will as soon as they sit down with him face to face. I don't think this man backs down easily.
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:00 PM
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12. no one can shake obama down.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:04 PM
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13. I agree. I think Obama refused both Edwards and Clinton's efforts to cut a deal for V.P. He's toug
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:15 PM
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14. well, i dunno about any of that stuff. all i know is, he always seems to know whats best.
i have a lot of confidence in obamas judgment, no matter what the circumstances.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:26 PM
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15. Once it becomes known that Obama paid off her debt
she becomes a public joke, a laughingstock, and he appears even more in control than he does now. She had to get bailed out by this guy she began by ridiculing - she couldn't even run a campaign without spending it into the round and he had to save her ass.

But I don't believe it's legal for Obama to pay anymore than $2300 of her debt.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:33 PM
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17. Yeah, it may well be little more than 'healing talk' on Obama's part
which he doesn't intend to really follow through on (and I hope he doesn't).

but still when he offers something like that, he might be handing her unintended leverage to use on him, if she takes the offer seriously.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:28 PM
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16. you just insulted Obama's intelligence
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:35 PM
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18. I think its a valid question,
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 10:36 PM by nebula
but my apologies if it comes across as condescending.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:36 PM
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19. Did you forget Axelrod....the Clintons don't have a chance.
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:48 PM
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20. I Think If Senator Obama Is All His Original Supporters Say He Is
He should be able to hold his own with the Clintons.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:50 PM
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21. None of us know what they are talking about, so you just keep quiet and stop speculating. nt
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:01 PM
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23. Nah, we should always question our leaders

particularly when they're potentially doing something that is so unprecedented.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:52 PM
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22. They have obviously underestimated him so deeply so far that
he is the nominee after dismantling her entire machine.....while dancing with McCain.....

I think he'll be just fine.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:04 PM
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24. Payment of opponents debts or fellow party campainers debts is done all the time
Bill Clinton paid of a lot of party memebers debts after his wins in 92 an 96. In some cases they give money down stream to stuggling candidates. Not uncommon...just to the politically unwashed folks who want ot hold grudges.
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WillyToad Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:22 PM
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25. Anger is a crutch...
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