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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:41 PM
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We have to consider that Hillary's or any politician's reasons are psychological, not political.
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 09:44 PM by LoZoccolo
There came a point where it made no more sense for Hillary to run. There came another point where it would be damaging to her opponent's general run. There came another point where it would be damaging to the party. And finally, there came a point where she was damaging herself and making what she was attempting impossible by the way she was attempting it.

At all these points it became a valid thing to question her motives. When something no longer makes sense with the standard explanation, start looking for others. Test the explanations. You may change your mind about what you should do about the situation.

A lot of people pointed out that Hillary seemed to be angling for 2012 rather than trying to win this election. I'd take it a step further: why would someone strip themselves of so much dignity in pursuit of something? Something that's not even guaranteed four years from now? Honestly, I think it's because someone feels that they've lost even greater dignity than they are giving up now, and will make up for it with their efforts. Yes, I am talking about Bill's affair with Monica, which was devastatingly embarassing for Hillary. I think she wanted something to make up for the humiliation she endured, as well as a chance to outdo her husband who wronged her. And I'd say: good for her. There's nothing wrong with it, so long as it's not expressed destructively. But it was expressed destructively, and those who see that have seen it already. We should understand what drives people to destruction if we are to stop it when it becomes apparent.

In a very short period I will be barraged with accusations of sexism. I don't care, because I know this isn't a sexist argument. I could see a man in this position being way worse. If you can't, that's your problem. I am through arguing with people who feel they can read my mind, and if what you imagine my thoughts to be are causing you anguish, I can do little to stop the full brunt of the inclinations of your own mind for making this false accusation. For that, I will not be sparing you the torment you bring upon yourself by stepping in to assuage it, not when I would probably face further attacks for my efforts.
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WillyToad Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:45 PM
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1. Hate and anger are pathological......
They must be exercised out of some people like a demonic posession and they have no place in Democratic politics.

Get over it, start acting like a Democrat.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:48 PM
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2. Hillary has not stripped herself of dignity. That is just a hateful narrative by Obamites and it is
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 09:50 PM by StevieM
the kind of thing that has divided our party and turned so many off to Barack Obama.

Steve
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:48 PM
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3. Lying about sniper fire and other obvious verifiable stuff is not a loss of dignity? n/t
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:58 PM
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5. Even if you don't accept that she mispoke about Bosnia
the other examples are pure nonsense. Her role in N. Ireland was verified by Gerry Adams, Ian Paisley and George Mitchell. Her involvement with Family and Medical Leave was reported in the press at the time--the GOP was trying to attach an amendment regarding Gays in the Military. Not that she was making a big deal out of FML to begin with.

It's interesting how all these stories came out at the same time, right after Obama lost TX and OH. One after another. You would think that all of this stuff would have happened sooner, if this is really who Hillary Clinton is. Doesn't it seem statistically unlikely that it we suddenly found out that she had this horrible problem in March? And all these examples were presented one after another in the span of a couple weeks? Then again, it also seems statistically unlikely that right after Obama's "bitter" comments we found out for the first time that supposedly Hillary had said "screw em" about certain voters.

Almost makes you think that there was a conscious effort by the opposition to develop a certain narrative.

Steve
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:59 PM
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6. Even if they did develop a narrative, she set herself up for it. n/t
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:58 PM
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4. You seem to be addicted
Obama has won and you are still battling the also-ran. There are better things to occupy your mind.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:00 PM
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7. I think it is important to reflect on the past. n/t
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:09 PM
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8. time lends perspective
Put it away for another time. Important and exciting things are happening right now.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:17 PM
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9. You just don't remember other campaigns. She was LEGITIMATELY in it..
until the last weekend.

The sainted Bill Bradley took FOUR MONTHS to endorse Gore.

LEARN SOME HISTORY!
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