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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:17 AM
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Obama has no option Hillary has to be on the ticket.
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 01:33 AM by barack the house
just looked at pollster.com with the big margins that Obama wins in some states and Hillary in others Obama/Hillary is the biggest landslide in history. We have to win we can't let emotion or any hurt feelings stand in the way of that. We gotta shake hands make nice and run forward quick.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:18 AM
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1. *sob*
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 01:19 AM by anonymous171
:cry:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:19 AM
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2. Not a snowball's chance in hell.
but thanks for playing
drive through
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:19 AM
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3. Of course you're just looking at democratic primary data....
In the GE, she is a HUGE negative with the left over hatred of her by the repubs....

She would sink him....
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:20 AM
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4. No I looked at the GE data and that site has been spot on every time.
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 01:20 AM by barack the house
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:22 AM
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7. I don't feel Republicans hate her as much as they once did.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:28 AM
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17. No, actually they probably hate her more.
Is that hatred justified? Of course not. But it's there nonetheless.

He'll do what's best for his campaign going forward, and she's a bad fit. In the same way, had things been reversed, she would have done what was best for her - and would have recognized that he was a bad fit.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:11 AM
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57. Not true. My district is 3 to 1 GOP and they would vote for Hillary but not Barack.
Just the way it is. These are friends and neighbors who don't lie to me and we have sparred for years. They will not vote for Obama. that said, they still won't if Hillary is VP. They would have voted for her though. Odd but true.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:10 AM
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107. One lifelong Republican explains why she'll work to elect Obama:
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 08:09 AM by tiptoe
Why I'm Backing Obama by Susan Eisenower February 2, 2008, Washington Post, A15
Forty-seven years ago, my grandfather Dwight D. Eisenhower bid farewell to a nation he had served for more than five decades. In his televised address, Ike famously coined the term "military-industrial complex," and he offered advice that is still relevant today. "As we peer into society's future," he said, we "must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow."
...
The biggest barrier to rolling up our sleeves and preparing for a better future is our own apathy, fear or immobility. We have been living in a zero-sum political environment where all heads have been lowered to avert being lopped off by angry, noisy extremists. I am convinced that Barack Obama is the one presidential candidate today who can encourage ordinary Americans to stand straight again; he is a man who can salve our national wounds and both inspire and pursue genuine bipartisan cooperation. Just as important, Obama can assure the world and Americans that this great nation's impulses are still free, open, fair and broad-minded.
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It is in this great tradition of crossover voters that I support Barack Obama's candidacy for president. If the Democratic Party chooses Obama as its candidate, this lifelong Republican will work to get him elected and encourage him to seek strategic solutions to meet America's greatest challenges. To be successful, our president will need bipartisan help.

Given Obama's support among young people, I believe that he will be most invested in defending the interests of these rising generations and, therefore, the long-term interests of this nation as a whole. Without his leadership, our children and grandchildren are at risk of growing older in a marginalized country that is left to its anger and divisions. Such an outcome would be an unacceptable legacy for any great nation.


Obama: I'll review every Bush executive order with my AG & overturn any that violate Constitution
DENVER - Maybe it’s his background teaching constitutional law. If elected president, Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama said one of the first things he wants to do is ensure the constitutionality of all the laws and executive orders passed while Republican President George W. Bush has been in office.

Those that don’t pass muster will be overturned, he said.

During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama — a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School — was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

“I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution,” said Obama.

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/28/bushs-laws-will-be-scrutinized-if-i-become-president-obama-says/


Harvard Professor Laurence Tribe Stumps For Obama ( "best student I ever had")
Top New Hampshire Story: Harvard Professor Stumps For Obama
By Eric Kleefeld - November 14, 2007, 11:07AM

Here's today's key story out of the New Hampshire local press: The Concord Monitor ("Law expert: Obama will preserve Constitution") reports that Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe went campaigning in New Hampshire yesterday for his old student, Barack Obama. Tribe will also be making some more campaign stops today, in a sign that the Obama campaign is moving to solidify their base with more affluent, educated voters even as Obama himself is reaching out to the working class.
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Both President Bush and Vice President Cheney have committed impeachable offenses, he said, and repeatedly have disregarded the Constitution. The president has used his authority to violate the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to eavesdrop on any conversation with an international component, has denied access to court and lawyers to those detained in Guantanamo, frequently uses executive power to violate acts of Congress when they interfere with his prerogatives and has screened those who disagree with him out of public rallies, Tribe said.
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Tribe called Obama the "best student I ever had" and the "most exciting research assistant"...also talked about the issue of judicial appointments. "The next president won't be in a position to make this a liberal court, but he can prevent it from becoming reactionary and moving to unreviewable executive power," Tribe said, adding that Obama shares his views on Constitutional law.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:51 AM
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121. That Tribe article was interesting. nt
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:52 AM
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122. Yes, but compared to what.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:16 AM
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124. what district do you live in? Demographics plays a big part in that
decision.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:29 AM
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19. Only as long as they think they can get her into the election...
Forget it, please, she's out....

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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:25 AM
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109. exactly
there are plenty of repubs that are moderates who LIKE Obama and HATE Hillary. I for one would be very disappointed in Obama if he picked her. How do you run with a candidate who has already stated you are NOT fit to be President? The repubs will replay those clips over and over.
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Va Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:21 AM
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5. Please put down the crack pipe!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:22 AM
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6. He has a lot of time to get this right...
And he has other things to work on first.

He can't rely on his VP as a crutch, he needs to seal the deal himself.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:23 AM
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9. This seals the deal without trying he has too many obstacles if he doesn't put her on the ticket.
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 01:26 AM by barack the house
I not saying it is my dream ticket but it is the ONLY ticket.You can't sniff at 17 million voters with a lot of passion.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:37 AM
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27. If all her supporters had a lot of passion, she wouldn't be in debt.
If they all donated a dollar she'd be perfectly fine money wise.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:44 AM
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35. I donated the max allowed.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:12 AM
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58. She does not control 17 million voters
get a grip and stop being so insulting to 17 million INDIVIDUALS.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:54 AM
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98. what a load of crap! I had "passion" for Kucinich, then for Edwards
--but, gee, somehow I "got over it" and feel great about Obama.

ONLY Hillary can help Obama "seal the deal"?? No other VP in the whole entire country can do that?

She is a dead weight, an albatross--not to mention a backstabbing, treacherous, LYING POS who will be lucky to be elected dog catcher after this. NO, she does NOT "seal the deal" for Obama, she brings a media circus, she brings scandals (many not even thoroughly investigated), she brings shitty backroom deals that benefit only the Clintons and their wealthy friends. Obama does not need her scheming and plotting in the next office, with Bill hanging around like the Dad figure. Take the Hillary for VP idea and shove it.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:23 AM
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8. ugh
:puke:
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:24 AM
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10. America at large hasn't been introduced to Barack yet
Nor have they met McCain the Presidential Candidate.

When they do, the numbers will change. No poll 5 months out, especially taken before GE campaigning has begun, is worth spit.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:27 AM
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13. Not enough time, she is the only option she knows it we deny it.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:47 AM
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40. Balls
At this time in 1988, Dukakis had a 15-point lead on Bush. The conservative core disliked Bush and George Will was deriding him as Reagan's Lapdog. I saw William Schneider predict that Dukakis would take the presidency, his numbers were that good and Bush's that bad. In a matter of months, Bush was walloping him.

There's time. We're better positioned domestically and in foreign affairs, and have a much better candidate this time around. Letting the veep selection be driven by panic over early (and largely unapplicable) poll numbers is just foolishness.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:24 AM
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11. I trust Obama...
...to make a sensible decision.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:28 AM
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15. Obama has been selling her to us he knows it too.. H e wants that WH.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:26 AM
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12. I would wait until McCain picks his...then if he picks someone
that would make our chances worse, then pick her to get her supporters votes.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:28 AM
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14. But what if McCain picks Hillary?
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:29 AM
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18. Obama needs to act fast I doubt McSame will pick her anyway. Lieberman is all the way up his ***.
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 01:30 AM by barack the house
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:08 AM
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54. Hillary has expressed her intentions to endorse Obama Saturday
and has sent her supporters an email urging her supporters to support Obama.

It's done. She's still a Dem. And will not be McCain's VP. I think it's time to get over the primary infighting.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:34 AM
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22. just out of curiousity
if you put a line through that last one and said "ok X behind Hillary" what would the answer be if you solved for X? 60%? 40%? 75%?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:41 AM
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30. none of the above. It would have been "100% AGAINST John McCain."
Either that or 100% on my way to Canada.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:13 AM
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59. take off
to the great white north.

it's a beauty way to go.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:39 AM
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28. Are you really blinded that much by your hatred of the junior Senator from NY?
Really?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:43 AM
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34. Hey, I allowed that at least *somebody* might want her on the ticket.
I see it as a win-win for both of them. Hillary gets to run with a guy who really MIGHT die before the election, and McCain gets all 50 or so of Hillary's remaining supporters -- thus doubling his vote totals this fall.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:47 AM
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41. yes, you really are blinded that much. :(
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:50 AM
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45. Believe what you want, but no one has done more to hurt the Dems this year than Hillary.
From where I sit, it looks like you are blinded by your devotion to an unworthy object of worship.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:58 AM
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50. You got that right..it's
pathetic.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:09 AM
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55. Sorry but I am not a Senator Clinton supporter. The thing is, she has been
treated very harshly on this board and so I defend her. I hate to see things being so unfair and I have tried extremely hard to be polite about it.

How many posts have been on in the past few months saying things like "she is evil" "I hate her" "she is so disgusting" and on and on. It is sad and a bit horrifying, especially when there were people claiming things like she is the same as Hitler and that if picked, she would murder the president. I know you have seen those posts. They are so downright nasty that something in me says "hey, how about pointing out this is over the top?"

And blaming her for what? Running a campaign against your choice after your first two? I had a person I supported and he dropped out (after the first one never even ran damn it) so my posts have been trying calm people down.

As I said a few days ago: 34 million votes cast, over $200 million raised and hundreds of thousands of new volunteers/voters and yet she somehow has destroyed the party? Is this not even the slightest bit over the top?

We picked up three special election seats (in Hastert's own district even!) and the party is DOA? But let your hate blind you to the fact we are in pretty effing good shape and nothing Senator Clinton has done has hurt the party in anyway.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:24 AM
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63. News flash: She IS evil and disgusting
If you try to race-bait your way to the Democratic nomination, you are evil and disgusting.

If you use a Democratic debate to insinuate that your opponent has connections to a "slum lord", you are evil and disgusting.

If you use canned lines to push an invented charge of plagiarism while you plagiarize your own lines, you are evil and disgusting.

If you propagate a photo of your opponent in a muslim costume, and then send out black surrogates to call it his "native garb", you are evil and disgusting.

If you compare your Democratic opponent's experience unfavorably to the Republican front-runner, you are evil and disgusting.

If you use a campaign appearance to sarcastically mock your opponent's supporters, you are evil and disgusting.

If you lie about dodging sniper fire while our troops are ACTUALLY dodging sniper fire, you are evil and disgusting.

If you try to cover up your lies by pushing a bogus story about your opponent's pastor, you are evil and disgusting.

If you drive a wedge through your party by touting your appeal to "hard-working white Americans", you are evil and disgusting.

If you hint that you should stay in the race because your opponent might get shot, you are BEYOND evil and disgusting.

If you have no way to win an election, yet continue to press on simply for ego, vanity and spite, you are evil and disgusting.

And finally,

If you refuse to concede even after your opponent has clinched the nomination, and instead launch into another stump speech that implies, once again, that your opponent is unqualified for the nomination HE JUST WON .... you are evil, you are disgusting and you have no place in a party of rational adults.




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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:35 AM
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67. As I said, blind.
If you wish to claim she is evil for her IWR vote, I can understand.

If you wish, as one in particular on here does, to claim she is evil for her promise to defend one of our allies with a nuclear bomb, I can understand.

What I cannot understand is the hysterical, and it is hysteria, claims of her being evil for running a campaign that turned around in the final few weeks and won eight contests out of 13 including the one of the last two. She had a perfect right to go on and she did. Her choice to do so gave many more people who have not had a chance to have their voices heard in a primary in a long time (and some never since they did not have primaries not that long ago) and that is what I look at...not at the campaigning which has been nothing like the true evil we both have seen and read about in the history of this country. As the WaPo said today "she could accept losing, she could never accepting quitting."

Senator Clinton is many things but I think I have not seen her ever show herself to be a quitter in much of anything. From staying with a spouse who humiliated her world wide, from working her butt off for him and others, to going to the little known places in NY to win a Senate seat, to even showing up in places that her roundly condemned for doing so, she has rarely quit. And I think that extended to her Presidential campaign.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:37 AM
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69. Dude, I just gave you about a dozen DOCUMENTED reasons why Hillary has earned our disgust
If you want to call that "blind", then you have no interest in a real discussion.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:57 AM
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75. No, you gave me a dozen opinion pieces, I would go back to read it for the
real reasons I can understand but...

Senator Clinton never started or had another person start a rumour campaign claiming that her opponent was a pedophile and that is why he worked on the behalf of poor children. (Rove)

Senator Clinton never tried to turn her decorated war hero opponent when never serving in the military herself into a weak kneed communist appeaser. While also doing things like illegal wiretapping, blackmail, forging documents, espionage, burglary, and purgery in an effort to destroy an entire party. (Nixon)

Senator Clinton never claimed her opponent wanted to nuke a country when in fact he had not said that. (Johnson)

Senator Clinton never claimed her opponent was gay (dozens of races), had a child out of wedlock (Republicans against Cleveland among others), assasinated a president (Republican Party about the Lincoln Assination accusing the Democratic Party of having such people in their ranks), a slave promoter (Hayes about Tilden), shot his mother in a fit of insanity (yes this actually was a campaign smear by the Democratic Party against Hayes), or raped his stepmother (this ALSO was a campaign smear here in Arizona for a local race.)

In fact, when it comes right down to it, what did she really do that was so horrible? Oh. Right. She ran for president and did not quit when the pundits and the DU wanted her to. She won eight of the last thirteen contests and apparently that makes her evil. :eyes:

How about pointing out her real things she did that could be considered evil: like voting for a war that never should have been and saying she would bomb a country of innocents if their leaders bombed another country with innocents. You know, things that actually ARE wrong and disgusting. Otherwise you are letting your hatred blind you.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:59 AM
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77. So your point is she's not as evil as Rove or Nixon? Pretty low bar you've set there.
Now name a single Democratic primary candidate who has employed the kind of tactics that she has.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:11 AM
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79. Sure...George Smathers v Claude Pepper-US Senate, Florida 1950
Richard J. Daley v pretty much anyone in 1955, including the primary.

Dukakis was the one who planted the video that destroyed Biden's chances in 1988...plenty of examples of people being nasty in Democratic primaries-and not a few in the Presidential race in the Democratic primaries (after all, politics is a blood sport. If you cannot understand that, no wonder you are getting mad.) The 1960 Alabama governors race was probably the one of the nastiest and it was very racist. :(

To say that she has some how been worse than the worse is laughable.

Well bed time for me.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:26 AM
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83. Let's not mince words -- this was unprecedented in a presidential race.
I should have included that qualifier, since local or state races are apples-to-oranges comparisons.

The Biden plagiarism video was not even qualitatively comparable to Hillary's tactics. Biden actually DID plagiarize his speech, and he got busted for it. If Dukakis exposed it, it was kind of scummy, but I don't recall him insinuating that Biden was ripe for assassination.

Take a serious look at what Hillary has done over the past few months and ask yourself if this is the kind of campaigning you want during a national Democratic primary. If your answer is "no", then the only way to prevent it from happening again is to speak out against what Hillary has done.


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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:31 AM
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86. *snort* I still to this day do not see what the big deal is about a primary fight
did you expect them to sit on a dais somewhere sipping tea and eating crumpets while saying "I do respect you about everything and agree with you on everything?"

A rip roaring fight was what this party needed to get some serious attention and boy did we get it-while at the same time, little of what was brought out really hurt either candidate for a general election. Your hatred unfortunately blinds you to this.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:38 AM
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89. This was not a healthy fight.
A fight about DLC vs progressive caucus would have been welcome. A fight over the Iraq war and health care and economic policies would have been great.

A fight over Rezko and Xeroxing and Jesse Jackson and Muslim garb and Jeremiah Wright and hard-working white people is worse than worthless. It damaged the party and it damaged our nominee.

Still not sure? Check out the RNC's first ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DECDKOFnw
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:47 AM
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93. Ads have to be effective, who is to say theirs will be? Not much is working for them.
Outside a worry over their having the pandering ability to pick a non-white for the Veep (I seriously doubt they would pick a woman), they really have to push to get something on Senator Obama.

Even the supposed "She endorse Senator McCain over Obama!!!!" meltdown of a month or two ago was not that big a deal.

This fight was always going to be about personalities. Why? THEY HAVE NEXT TO NO DIFFERENCE ON POLICY. Senator Obama is NOT that progressive, he is NOT going to rock the boat and outside of being a good speaker, where this idea of his being somehow more "progressive" than her came from would be a great question to answer. I can speak of a few differences but really-mandates v no mandates? Still not a single payer system. No vote for IWR? Both voted to keep funding it. Gas tax? Sure, pandering on one part but we all know that was DOA so really taken care of quickly. Both seem to have the same ideas on immigration, housing policy (hers is more left from what I understand) and so forth.

The fight has done very little to ruin our chances (if we lose, and we still can because this is NOT sewn up-it has a lot more to do with a general being a different animal than a primary and it requires Obama being a lot more willing to punch back which can ruin his above it all aura), it kept the media focused on us. Good in my opinion.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:41 AM
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71. It is one of the posters that will make it impossible for Obama to win over Hillary fans.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:32 AM
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87. Just the whiney Hillary fans who can't take criticism on an anonymous message board
Don't blame me for your poor loser attitude. If you're too immature and bitter to support our nominee, then please go lend your oh-so-valuable support to the McCain camp. Really, it's the best favor you could do for the Democratic party.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:42 AM
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91. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Citizen_Penn Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:30 AM
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130. Investing a lot of effort in insulting the home team - aren't you?
who's the blind one?

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onetwo Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:50 AM
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46. Sad that this can now be reasonably taken seriously.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:59 AM
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51. It's her last, best hope to be president.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:45 AM
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118. get real n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:39 AM
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70. only an idiot would suggest such a thing.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:55 AM
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73. I'm shocked you haven't suggested it, then.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:40 AM
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116. I am not since I am not the idiot. bye bye.
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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:28 AM
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112. Then I'll try to catch some of the pigs flying around.....n/m
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:28 AM
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16. Good point. nt
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:30 AM
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20. I smell bullshit in the morning. n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:00 AM
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52. Smells like ... sockpuppets.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:32 AM
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21. BullFeathers...Obama has any option
he wants..that's why he won.

hilary is history.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:36 AM
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26. I know why you feel like that, it's understandable. But the facts are we have too many obstacles..
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 01:38 AM by barack the house
without her. Even if she was a team player from this point accepting no vp slot. We have a motivated 17 million people added tothe cause if she is on the ticket.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:42 AM
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33. The facts are you don't know what's going
to happen and I trust Obama.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:34 AM
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23. You have no chance to survive make your time?
HAHAHA

I can't be the only person here who thought of that line when reading the title. I just can't...
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:34 AM
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24. Nonsense. /nt
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:35 AM
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25. not a chance
never going to happen.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:40 AM
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29. It's not that I am now a Hillary supporter. I am being a realist, sometimes reality ain't what we
want.
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:47 AM
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42. I understand
I just really disagree, and feel it's such a profoundly bad idea that I delude myself into thinking Barack feels the same. :)
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:41 AM
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31. that is very tempting. but its the wrong decision.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:41 AM
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32. I disagree. I really like Hillary, but I've been afraid for the entire
cmpaign that Bill could be a problem. I've known a lot of philanderers in my working career, and NONE ever reformed. Most get away with what they do, but the few that get caught express sorrow and go back to doing what makes them happy. I still like Bill C. but I think putting Hillary on the ticket could be a disaster for us.

the polls now are meaningless. You can't poll what combination of candidates would do best if you don't even know who the players are!
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:44 AM
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36. Grrrrrrrrr.....
Now look what you've done, Ginny is growling at the very suggestion.

Clinton on ticket=GOP GOTV....no f'n way.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:45 AM
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37. Hillary will not be the VP pick. Take it to the bank.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:45 AM
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38. Hillary has made it so Obama CAN'T put her on the ticket.
All her mewling and conniving to weasel into the VP spot has made it impossible for Obama to offer it to her without looking weak.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:46 AM
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39. Oh, is that the new reason? (eom)
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:48 AM
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43. No, the real reason is that she's emphatically unqualified for the position
But to actually SAY that would make all you Clinton dead-enders start crying like bitty babies.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:53 AM
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47. Well that works out well. Because Barack is unqualified to be president. So they are even.
All I want is for Obama to appoint the right people to the Supreme Court. Then we can pick a different Democrat in 2012 who hopefully won't be dragged down too much by the fact that our party has elected one of the worst presidents in American history. After all, we really have to defeat Mitt Romney.

Steve
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:55 AM
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48. So please, go work for McCain.
Hopefully you'll fuck up his candidacy as thoroughly as you did Hillary's. Have fun!
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:07 AM
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53. Did you read my post? I said I would vote for him. The fact that an Obama supporter just told
a voter to get lost and not vote for their candidate is astounding. The arrogance surrounding this man is astounding.

Obama won on points. He dominated the caucuses and nothing more.

I'm sorry you won't rally behind our party's nominee in 2012. Apparently you don't mind the thought of living under President Romney.

Steve
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:11 AM
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56. Your delusional scenario makes it much better for us if you're on the other side.
The Democrats really don't need people who think the best candidate in a half-century is going to fail before he even begins campaigning.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:22 AM
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62. someone today told me "every vote counts...even if you do not think it does."
and so why are you throwing another vote away?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:27 AM
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64. They're wrong. One vote counts very little.
Especially when compared to the kind of damaging BS that's been pushed by Clinton supporters this election.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:58 AM
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76. That is what I said about how one vote does not matter.
of course knowing my luck, the entire election this time will turn on ONE vote.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:17 AM
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80. This one vote
had already been declared for McCain. If you want to extend the privilege of credibility to someone who now says he'll vote for "one of the worst presidents in American history" go ahead, but you're probably just getting your chain yanked.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:20 AM
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81. There is time yet to gently work over a person-instead of going "SUPPORT THIS SECOND OR YOU ARE A
REPUBLICAN!!!!1!!!"

The Senator Obama supporters have GOT to learn to let people heal, especially the die hards. (I would be saying the same thing if things were reversed-in fact I did way back when for other races.)
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:50 AM
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96. Give it a try
Of course there is a time for gentle persuasion. Then there is a time to realize daily blandishments for a capricious highstrung bitterender, possibly right up to November, would be an effort better spent elsewhere. Try it though, I'd like to see if it can be done -- and made to stick.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:55 AM
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99. Always give those who had a loss time to grieve. It is really like a death in one's life.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:14 AM
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101. Maybe later, then
It'll be strenuous. This is a lot more than just candidate attachment. I'll be amazed if you can make headway.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:27 AM
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135. But... by any rational standard, this "loss" occurred back in March.
The fact that they still need time to grieve is due to their own stubborn obtuseness and a Clintonesque inability to accept defeat.

In March, we gave them time to grieve and they rejected it. Now, they get a Moonstruck-style whack on the head and a loud "Snap out of it!".
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:38 PM
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136. Oh fuck off, honestly Jgraz, you are such a jackass about it being over.
No, since YOUR candidate LOST eight primaries supposedly after not even winning the delegates, it was not over.

The only thing that WAS over was the sense in the Obama Supporters camp. Jumping up and down like four year olds screaming "GO AWAY!!! YOU ARE EVIL!!! YOU ARE HURTING THE PARTY!!!" despite turn out still being high, fundraising still high and everything else.


And I do expect this to be deleted but for once I am going to be rude.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:29 AM
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84. Voting is important, but activism is much more important
By my count, I had direct influence on close to 1000 voters in 2006. And that's not counting my rants on various internet forums. I'll almost certainly do the same thing this year, concentrating on progressive candidates in local and state races.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:32 AM
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88. So that means instead of going "hey, let us touch base in a few weeks after you have some
chill time..."

You are an activist and your view drives me crazy when enspoused by my friends. "forget him, not worth the time." Well if he is on here, yes he is.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:49 AM
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95. Maybe I'm tired, but I don't understand your post at all
Can you clarify?
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:53 AM
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97. basically I think you are being too quick to throw away possible votes
which as an activist you should know better...many of my friends are like that too.

I am of the opinion if someone has had a bad thing happen to them...leave them alone for a while or just say "here is my opinion but take some time and we will talk later."

If you do that, you have a chance rather than saying "well eff you and the horse you rode in on" and losing a vote you need.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:48 AM
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44. It's too early to make a VP choice.
If Hil is it, fine.

If she's not, that's also fine.

It's not up to us anyway.

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onetwo Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:56 AM
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49. Obama needs to wait at least two weeks and consult with his internal pollsters.
If there was one thing to be learned from this primary season, it was that things become old news VERY quickly. Let's see if HRC supporters are still sore 2 weeks after the official concession.

My bet is that Obama will find someone else.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:14 AM
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60. She should be a consideration
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 02:17 AM by fujiyama
She has a strong constituency and many passionate supporters.

But she has some liabilities as well. I think he should look at the projected numbers with her as the VP, her strengths (she would be good with Latinos and could be potentially effective with older Jews in Florida and of course older women in general), and finally decide who he believes shares his goals and vision and can best carry out his own agenda if unable to do so. There are many good choices to go with. Personally I like Webb...but if Hillary can help win this, I'm all for that too! I'm very excited in the possibility of having someone with Obama's inspirational qualities and desire to change the status quo in the WH.
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livingmadness Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:35 AM
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66. Yep - totally agree Fuji
There is but one consideration when it comes to picking the VP - winning the GE. I have total faith in Obama's committee to select the appropriate person to bring that about. If they decide that person is Hillary - great! I'll be totally behind it. If they decide on someone else - say Webb, or Sebilius, then I'm happy with that too. Winning in November should be the only consideration.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 05:05 AM
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104. ...
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 05:07 AM by JVS
responded to wrong place
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:16 AM
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108. kick
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:17 AM
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61. I have no problem with this, so long as the Clintons submit to a thorough vetting.
I suspect they won't.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:31 AM
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65. Obama can prove his strength and independence by NOT having Hillary on the ticket.
Personally, I will support an Obama/Clinton ticket, but I do not think it is the best, strongest choice. Obama should choose someone who has less baggage, and with either military or foreign intelligence background, and someone from the South. Wes Clark, Jim Webb, Bob Graham, and Bill Richardson would be my top picks. We need someone who can debate possible GOP VPs Romney or Lieberman, both of whom do not have military experience nor support in the South (except Florida).


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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:36 AM
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68. Those numbers do not ensure
that the combination will do so well. For instance, a Racist voter will not vote for Obama just because Hillary joins on. And a sexist voter will not vote for Hillary just because Obama is on the ticket. Someone who wants a centrist and believes Hillary is a crazy liberal isn't a guaranteed vote just because you throw Obama in, nor is someone who wants a left liberal going to vote for Obama, just because you throw a Hillary in.

Show me the polling that puts Obama/Hillary up more than Obama/Edwards in WV or FL, as well as holding or better in CO and NC. Show me some polls that are relevant to the combination, rather than to each of their individual appeals. Because their appeals are in many ways different, and while the combo may work for some, it may turn others off.

So show me the applicable numbers, not just numbers.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:43 AM
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72. She's a downticket ebola pandemic.
Forget it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:56 AM
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74. Gross.
Extremely applicable, but gross nonetheless.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:59 AM
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78. People made somegood points on the thread I just looked at the numbers than the scandals.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:22 AM
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82. well since she has the experience, such as it is, meme to use
she can calm some of the worries people have about a three year first term senator being Prez.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:29 AM
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85. We have to change the fucked up direction of this country NOW, or it will never be changed.
If you look at what Obama's done just this week, you can see he's serious about it. There would be no point in ruining that by putting the DLC "franchise player" on the ticket.

The landslide will come because Barack is delivering on his message of change even before the election. People are taking notice of that, and it will make a difference with a lot of skeptics.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:40 AM
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90. lol
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:42 AM
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92. No.
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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:48 AM
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94. that's funny
Hillary as VP

good one
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:59 AM
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100. Have you SEEN her "Night of the Living Dead" Supporters?
Take a Look at those creatures behind her.. She has inspired Stupid, racist white Idiots who probably can't even Find the fucking polls a second time.. And while Obama brings in 75 THOUSAND supporters at a whack just for speeches, Hillary is talking to 37 people in a feed store..

It is Obvious that she Does Not draw supporters, they aren't There, with Obama you can SEE Them..

And they look like sane, intelligent, non goofy people, folks you WANT to Know.. Not the pinheads I constantly see drooling behind, or sleeping, or picking noses, HER..

She doesnt have "IT", and I believe it is called Charisma on any level.. Honestly, she's one of the most screwy politicians I've ever watched, bulging out her eyes, acting as if she Knows someone in the audience when you KNOW she's pointing at AIR, or a Staffer, that's a fact, and sad..

Half of the country doesnt support her, someone like Obama will bring home Millions more out of the 350 million in the country.. Her defective hostages are chump change :)
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:37 AM
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102. I think the word you want is Elvis
Molly knew. She first saw Elvis in Hillary's husband. And it appears the nominee has some Elvis.

Hillary on the other hand, has a big stinking helping of Tony Clifton
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:30 AM
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113. UNintended Consequences of the Final,Frantic Run:
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 08:31 AM by GalleryGod
"permision slip to 'Vote White!' against Obama."
How did we get HERE, Hillary?
Ask YOUR Team that?
Sad.Tragic.Symetrical.:patriot:
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 05:02 AM
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103. don't be ridiculous.
the GE is not the primary. any ticket that includes hillary is a sure loser.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 05:07 AM
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105. SURVEY SAYS
X
BZZZZZZZT
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:28 AM
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111. Richard! WE'll Play! Hillary? Sit Down!
:rofl: :spray: :rofl:
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 05:10 AM
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106. it would turn into a replay of primary disagreements
it would let Mcain skate.
"Can they get along?" would become "the" story.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:27 AM
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110. Never say, "You've got NO option" to the Obama Campaign.
Step back and consider just WHICH campaign team you are submitting that hypothesis to!? sheesh..:blush:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:32 AM
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114. Karl, is that you?
Yeah...we need to hand the Repugs an early Christmas gift with them running against TWO CLINTONS.

It's the perfect choice FOR REPIGS.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:37 AM
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115. That would turn a probable loss in November to a near certain defeat
but hey, if there's one thing Democrats are good at, it's grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.

With Hillary AND Obama, not only would we lose the whitehouse, we'd likely suffer down ticket as well.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:44 AM
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117. he would be foolish to pick based on polls in late May/early June
they mean very, very little.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:46 AM
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119. Obama would lose if Hillary was on the ticket.
NO HILLARY! Too many negatives and too much baggage.

JMHO
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:47 AM
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120. That would go against everything Obama stands for and make him a liar.
I would leave the presidential ballot blank.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:09 AM
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123. you're probably right
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 09:11 AM by paulk
It's the only way to unite the split in the party - and it is a split. The demographic groups that made up each candidate's bases were distinctly different. Obama got African American, 50k+, college ed, liberal white vote, Clinton got Hispanic, Asian, blue color and conservative white vote. If the situation were reversed, Obama would be VP. This race was close - the closest ever. It really could have gone either way.

The Democrats are ascendent now - we are the emerging majority. The party needs to be unified going forward and a "unity" ticket is the most obvious way to do it.

ed for sp.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:23 AM
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125. Electability is NOT going to be Obama's #1 criteria for V.P.
He has hinted at this publicly on many occasions now. His philosophy on choosing a V.P. is selecting someone that signals the way he wants to govern and obviously someone he has a good rapport with. When will people understand this? :eyes:
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maui9002 Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:28 AM
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127. Doesn't it make you the slightest bit nervous that Republicans seem willing to help Hillary?*
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maui9002 Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:29 AM
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128. Oops; that last message was meant to be a reply to OP.*
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:30 AM
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129. Yeap, they want her around but my understanding is since Bill wont open his donations records it's a
...no go.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:25 AM
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126. Electability is NOT going to be Obama's #1 criteria for V.P.
He has hinted at this publicly on many occasions now. His philosophy on choosing a V.P. is selecting someone that signals the way he wants to govern and obviously someone he has a good rapport with. When will people understand this? :eyes:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:33 AM
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131. No serious election watcher believes that spin. Did you also believe HRC had a chance to win after
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 09:33 AM by blm
Super Tuesday along with the rest of the gullible, TV spun crowd?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:35 AM
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132. Yea ...right after this happens........
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:37 AM
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133. Heard an analysis of this issue on NPR yesterday...
Two big points were made against HRC on the VP spot:

1) It would be an obvious case of Obama being pressured into doing something he doesn't want to do, and that would make him look weak. Weakness is the last thing people want to see in a presidential candidate.

2) The relationship they have is totally unlike what normally exists between a nominee and his/her chosen VP, expecially in the trust area. Obama needs someone with whom he has a relationship of trust, and Clinton is hardly there after publicly saying that John McCain is more ready to be Commander in Chief than Obama is (and that's just one example).

For me, the idea that only Clinton at this point can help him win votes in states where he is weak is silly--that's not the way presidential elections work. It's even questionable whether VP candidates have that much influence at all.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:39 AM
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134. Meme-aliscious!
:9
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