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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:51 AM
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Hillary Loves You
. I. Things She Has Done and Said

"I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Sen. Obama if he were the Democratic Party's nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise," Sen. Hillary Clinton said in an email Thursday. Had people like Pat Buchanan and Rep. Jim Clyburn bothered to study her history, they might have discovered that one of the things she is known for is sticking to her guns. Once she makes up her mind to so something, she does it. And she is as consistent as Jif peanut butter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvhrh0yHhd8&feature=related

“I am honored to be here with Barack Obama….” From February, 2008.



In Sept 1995, she spoke at the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women. Her speech is considered historic. Here is a link with video and a transcript.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hillaryclintonbeijingspeech.htm

These abuses have continued because, for too long, the history of women has been a history of silence. Even today, there are those who are trying to silence our words. But the voices of this conference and of the women at Huairou must be heard loudly and clearly:
It is a violation of human rights when babies are denied food, or drowned, or suffocated, or their spines broken, simply because they are born girls.
It is a violation of human rights when women and girls are sold into the slavery of prostitution for human greed -- and the kinds of reasons that are used to justify this practice should no longer be tolerated.
It is a violation of human rights when women are doused with gasoline, set on fire, and burned to death because their marriage dowries are deemed too small.
Snip

If there is one message that echoes forth from this conference, let it be that human rights are women’s rights and women’s rights are human rights once and for all. Let us not forget that among those rights are the right to speak freely -- and the right to be heard.


In 1996, Clinton would become the first First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt to travel into a war zone in order to raise awareness, increase troop morale and build up support back home for the humanitarian effort in Bosnia in response to the genocidal killing of 8000 men and boys by Serbs the year before. (links in my journal). Later, she would travel back to the Balkans in order to facilitate the freeing of civilians who were in danger of becoming war casualties. She also visited Northern Ireland and has been praised for her efforts in helping to broker the peace in that region as First Lady.

http://www.irishecho.com/newspaper/story.cfm?id=18626

In a series of statements compiled by labor and fair employment advocate Inez McCormack, Clinton was lauded for her "decade-long support" of the peace process.
"We believe it is important for others to know the pivotal role Mrs. Clinton played in helping us in Northern Ireland at critical junctures in the peace process. She supported us over many years and we will always be grateful to her," said McCormack
"Hillary Clinton took risks for peace in asking me and others to bring women and communities from both traditions to affirm their capacity to work for common purpose," McCormack said.
"She used her immense influence to give women like me space to develop this work and validated it every step of the way. This approach is now taken for granted but it wasn't then. She told us that if we take risks for peace, she would stay with us on that journey. In my experience, it took hard work, attention to detail and a commitment of time and energy which she delivered steadily and where needed over the last decade," McCormack added.



. II. Things She Has Not Done or Said

Obama’s campaign staffers or surrogates including Keith Olbermann have denounced Hillary Clinton for the actions of known right wingers including Bob Novak, Matt Drudge, the Moonies and Fox News. In none of these cases did Hillary Clinton personally step in to object to these baseless accusations which benefited the Obama camp by portraying Clinton as a dirty trickster. Had she raised a stink, they would have benefited the right wing even more by dividing Democrats in the same way that CREEP divided Democrats in 1972 by launching attacks at one Democratic candidate and attributing them to another as per Pat Buchanan’s plan for Dick Nixon . A few days ago, a right winger admitted being the source of a photo of Obama in African garb which Matt Drudge originally swore came from Hillary. Just to remind everyone, here is how the photo was greeted.

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/02/25/hillary-clinton-campaign-circulates-photo-of-barack-obama-in-somali-clothing-on-kenya-visit/

Barack Obama’s campaign this morning sharply criticized Hillary Clinton’s campaign for reportedly sending a picture to the Drudge Report of the Illinois senator that showed him in African dress, with Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accusing Clinton of engaging in “shameful, offensive fear-mongering.”
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“We will not be distracted,” Williams said.


Keith Olbermann was distracted. He all but accused the Clinton team of planting the photo. That is because Keith Olbermann is an idiot who thought he was helping Democrats by dividing them.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23355275/

However, Clinton kept her cool during these obvious right wing attacks on the Democratic primary.

"We will not be distracted"

"Eleanor Roosevelt understood that every one of us every day has choices to make about the kind of person we are and what we wish to become. You can decide to be someone who brings people together, or you can fall prey to those who wish to divide us. You can be someone who educates yourself, or you can believe that being negative is clever and being cynical is fashionable. You have a choice." Hillary Clinton


Axelrod and his staff have also issued multiple memos (which they have tried to deny issuing so you know that they are not proud of them). He and Obama should be grateful that Hillary Clinton is a team player. Robert Kennedy hated Humphrey forever after the 1960 election. Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter never really made up in 1980.

"I will fight against the division politics of revenge and retribution. If you put me to work for you, I will work to lift people up, not put them down." Hillary Clinton


In only one instance, did Hillary Clinton object in public to deceptive flyers put out by the Obama campaign. ("Shame on you, Barack Obama") This was after the campaign had repeatedly used Harry and Lousie style tactics to attack her universal health insurance plan in order to scare Democrats, even after her campaign had issued pleas with them to stop. That is because universal health care is one of the things that matters to Hillary Clinton, because Hillary loves us and cares about the public health .

"We need to be as well prepared to defend ourselves against public health dangers as we should be to defend ourselves against any foreign danger." Hillary Clinton


. III. Hillary Loves the Axelrods

Today, as Axelrod basks in his profession’s highest glory — shaping a historical presidential campaign — he is experiencing one of its nastiest turns: in a tiny and ideologically promiscuous world, you often need to go to war with your friends. (If Obama hadn’t run, Axelrod says, he would have sat out this presidential race, and he says he told all of his other former clients that early on; he hasn’t had much interaction with them since.) There is Dodd, and there is Edwards, but perhaps most poignantly, there is Hillary Clinton. It’s a matter of epilepsy. David and Susan Axelrod have three children in their late teens and early 20s. Their eldest, Lauren, has developmental disabilities associated with chronic epileptic seizures and now lives in a group home in Chicago. But for years her illness required enough of her parents’ time that it kept Susan Axelrod out of the work force and kept David from moving to Little Rock during the 1992 presidential campaign. Susan and two other mothers of children with epilepsy started a foundation, Citizens United for Research in Epilepsy (CURE), which Susan runs, to promote research and raise funds for a cure. Because of David’s political work, they have had political celebrities do fund-raisers: Bill Clinton, Tim Russert, Obama. But few have done as much for the foundation as Hillary Clinton.
It was January 1999, President Clinton’s impeachment trial was just beginning in the Senate and Hillary Clinton was scheduled to speak at the foundation’s fund-raiser in Chicago. Despite all the fuss back in Washington, Clinton kept the appointment. She spent hours that day in the epilepsy ward at Rush Presbyterian hospital, visiting children hooked up to machines by electrodes so that doctors might diagram their seizure activity and decide which portion of the brain to remove. At the hospital, a local reporter pressed her about the trial in Washington, asked her about that woman. At the organization’s reception at the Drake Hotel that evening, Clinton stood backstage looking over her remarks, figuring out where to insert anecdotes about the kids. “She couldn’t stop talking about what she had seen,” Susan Axelrod recalled. Later, at Hillary Clinton’s behest, the National Institutes of Health convened a conference on finding a cure for epilepsy. Susan Axelrod told me it was “one of the most important things anyone has done for epilepsy.” And this is how politics works: David Axelrod is now dedicated to derailing this woman’s career.
“Life can be tragic,” Axelrod told me by phone from Chicago the day before Obama officially announced his candidacy, “but it is important to focus on the moments when it is rapturous.” Political consultancy is often understood, from a distance, as a science of cynicism, but from up close it can look instead like a ruthless form of love.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/magazine/01axelrod.t.html?ei=5124&en=c8e20f4144cbf908&ex=1332993600&partner=newsvine&exprod=newsvine&pagewanted=all

Now watch this video as Axelrod blames Clinton for Bhutto’s death. Is this one of his “rapturous” moments?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylDrp9Tqj2I&feature=related



IV. Hillary Is a More Loving and Forgiving Person Than Most of Us



In the dog eat dog world of ego driven politics, it is good to have a few people like Hillary Clinton around who keep their eyes on the prize.

That’s why I’m in this race, to fight for your future, and that's why whatever happens, I’ll work as hard as I can to elect a Democratic president this fall. The state motto of Kentucky is, “United we stand, divided we fall.” Words that have a special place in our history. They inspired American revolutionaries to unite the colonies, to defy an empire and create a new nation, to invent a new form of government, of the people, by the people, for the people. And they have bound our nation together in service and sacrifice, even in our darkest hours.

We will come together as a party, united by common values and common cause; united in service of the hopes and dreams that know no boundaries of race or creed, gender or geography. And when we do, there will be no stopping us. We won't just unite our party; we will unite our country and make sure America’s best years are still ahead of us. Thank you, and G-d bless you and G-d bless America.


http://kydem.blogspot.com/2008/05/sen-hillary-clintons-speech-to-kentucky.html


:dem:





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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:54 AM
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1. That is very cool. I personally think the best spot for her would be Senate Majority Leader
Nothing against Reed, but he isn't strong enough

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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:59 PM
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66. Wow!
I like that. I *really* like that.

Senate Majority Leader Hillary Clinton.

Yeah. I like that.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:46 PM
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77. Ambassador To South Africa
Or Bosnia.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:00 AM
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2. *kicks back and gets some popcorn*
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:40 AM
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33. I was looking for the new Doritos! Do you have some?
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:09 PM
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51. New doritos? what flavor are they?
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 05:29 PM
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62. ...
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:00 PM
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83. "sweet and spicey" Colbert hawks them. They are icky!
I just got some, and ugh. They are baaad!
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:02 AM
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3. interesting
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 05:21 PM
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59. ROFL
Only because of the post above yours.

She was asking what the new flavor of Doritos was.

And you said *Interesting.*

Albeit, you weren't answering her. You addressing the OP.


Still made me laugh.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:14 PM
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68. newest Dorito flavor 'buttermilk biscuit'.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:04 AM
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4. Yet she won't return my phone calls...
I'm starting to wonder if there's someone else.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:11 AM
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8. there is
the whole working class in America.


I also have some ocean front property in Kansas that's for sale if you are interested.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:23 AM
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14. got news for you. she never was crazy about little whiny puppies.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:30 AM
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17. You mean she hates ALL her supporters? I kinda suspected as much.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:17 AM
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44. you have not grown up I see. Take a cue from your colleuges.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:58 PM
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81. Joe Lieberman loves you
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:37 AM
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18. Clearly not.
Interesting way to put it, considering that her whiny-puppy behavior on Tuesday night moved her Congressional supporters toward Obana.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:08 PM
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50. Call her at 3 am ... she HAS to answer.
:)
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 05:23 PM
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60. That is when her god-awful cellular company
Starts the *Night & Weekend* minutes.

3AM.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 12:55 AM
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95. turn off caller id
so that she can't see who it is.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:05 AM
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5. Olbermann attacked Clinton because it was the easiest source of
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 02:06 AM by The_Casual_Observer
material for progressive outrage he could find after bush stopped doing anything worthy of criticism or note. In order to fill an hours worth of time in what is essentially a 20 minute program, he leaned heavily on the real or imagined Clinton gaff du jour & spread each one across several numbers of the countdown, eagerly assisted by the usual band of idiot pundits who were just grateful not to have to come up with anything but a few additional jabs culled from a quick glance the daily kos.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:13 AM
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10. Oh yay, more Olbermann-bashing
Please, get over yourself.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:43 AM
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25. The feeling is mutual.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:45 AM
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26. Well let's see who sticks around longer.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:21 AM
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13. Olberman deserves to be bashed. Hillary is a Democrat and did not deserve
to be treated worse than Bush.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:28 AM
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15. Collaborators are always hated more than the tyrants they enable.
Such is Hillary's fate. She should have known that when she crawled up Bush's ass after 9/11.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:19 PM
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87. We are going to look back on day and discover that some unexpected people
have been collaborating thanks to blackmail for the warrantless wiretap that has been going on since almost day one. I have my suspicions about the people who have been blackmailed or who are open to blackmail. Scott Ritter for one. He has been vocal about accusing Hillary of knowing secret weapons info about Iraq from Bill Clinton's administration that proves there were no WMDs even though we all know she did not have a security clearance during her husbands administration and therefore no one would have told her any military secrets. He has as good as accused her of being in cahoots with Bush and Cheney. If you go back, in 1998, Ritter was saying that no one knew what Iraq had and that they could reconstitute their weapons program easily if UN inspections were not resumed ASAP. Yet last year he became a one man Hillary bashing machine. You have to wonder if it had anything to do with his personal problems which I will not discuss here, except to say that the Bush DOJ knows everything about everybody thanks to AT&T and Karl Rove's strategy has been to blame the Democrats and particularly Hillary for the Iraq War.

What if Rove made sure that KO had a good long drink of Scott Ritter's kool aid? Could that have convinced him that Hillary was the same as Bush?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:40 AM
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20. Olbermann counts down "Bush Scandals" nightly.
Clearly you've given up on his show, but no way am I going to let you get away with that level of horseshit.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:43 AM
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24. Oh, and if Hillary was a Democrat, why didn't she act like one?
Trashing your Democratic opponent by praising the Republican front-runner is not the act of a true Democrat.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:50 AM
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27. Where's your head?
It's called Tough Love. There are many flavors of love and Hillary's a candystand. You've probably never had so much love showered on you and the torrent of riches is confusing you.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:54 AM
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28. Hahah... DUzy.
Thanks, I can go to sleep on a good laugh. "Hillary's a candystand" :rofl:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:01 PM
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67. give up the hate
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:47 PM
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104. Like praising Reagan? Tell us again what a "true" Democrat is.
"I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not."

More?

"I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."

Trashing a successful former--and the last, so far-- Democratic President is being a true Democrat by your standards?

The primaries are over, I support Sen. Obama, but will not tolerate old news and outdated lies.:evilgrin:

Oh, save me the disclaimer that came later about not saying her supported the Reagan policies-it's just that Reagan just tapped into what the country needed, "clarity" etc. etc.

Both candidates said many things on the way to primary closure.

Finished and done--moving on.


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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:36 PM
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71. I agree, I lost respect for the guy.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:40 PM
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103. KO has lost all credibility
Shrill shrieking ranter.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:39 AM
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19. Exactly when did Bush stop doing anything worthy of criticism?
:shrug:

Olbermann hammers Bush nightly, and keeps a seperate "Countdown" of Bush Scandals. I guess you don't watch him all that much.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:00 AM
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29. Don't you get it, Jen? All that matters is paying tribute to the Queen.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:04 AM
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30. Gack!!!!!
Who knew!!??

:rofl:
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 05:35 PM
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64. Olbermann was just sticking up for people like me
and I salute him for it. :patriot:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:50 PM
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80. Yeah, your right. I mean, it's not like she said or did anything to deserve it.
:sarcasm:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:07 AM
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6. thank you. Lovely
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:09 AM
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7. an article that did not live up to its title
a truer title would have been "I love Hillary and think Obama ran a dirty campaign"

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Hillary could surprise me by delivering on her inspiring rhetoric. Past experience does not make me sanguine.

"That’s why I’m in this race, to fight for your future ..."

Uh huh. Funny thing is, ever since she entered the race I have been fighting for my own future. The future I want - one without Hillary in it.
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:12 AM
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9. That blue pantsuit with white piping makes her look like
Captain Kangaroo.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:20 AM
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12. you are rude and immature for saying that.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:41 AM
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22. Agreed. (n/t)
:wtf:
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 12:51 AM
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92. I'll second that.
Uncalled for and dumb.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:39 AM
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32. What a juvenile comment and so expected!
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mrbluto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:42 AM
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35. And that's what it's all about - right?
You chirp in with a fashion statement.

Fabulous.

You would have been so useful at other points in history too, I'm sure.

- Signing of the Declaration of Independence - there's Boo Boo dissing Jefferson's couture.

- In a Warsaw ghetto - marveling at the snappy uniforms of the goose-stepping enforcers.

- In mid 20th century Missisipi - tsk-tsking the volumes of fabric a a certain group used in it's uniforms.

- In Sarajevo - ga-ga over how daring Arkhan's Turbofolk aesthetic was taking the countryside by storm.

- During China's Cultural Revolution - bemoaning the dearth of choice in stylish eyewear.

- In Memphis in '68 - Boo Boo pointing out how "so last year" the cut of Martin Luther Jr.'s suit was.

etc. etc.

An attitude like yours, at certain points of time, could have changed history. (or not)

Aren't you proud?
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:15 AM
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43. Oh for heaven's sake - there is no possible constructive point to this. nt
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:37 AM
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31. What a lovely tribute. It is sad we don't see more such posts. Thank you and thank you
for the courage you have displayed in venturing into a potentially unfriendly arena! :loveya:
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:22 AM
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34. This OP is very much appreciated.

There will probably be many more quotes and verified actions in the coming weeks to add to this point of view.

Recommended.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:53 AM
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:58 AM
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37. "I made a conscious decision to place my Vote For Hillary button on my altar".
One more sip and I swear her supporters will claim she's the Virgin Mary.


I could post a lot of pictures of people who aren't feeling the love that was bundled in the IWR and her refusal to ban cluster bombs or sign the anti-torture act. I could post pictures of the people who were put in the path of obliteration when she voted for Kyl-Lieberman.

Not that people haven't been feeling the Clinton love since her husband started starving people at home and abroad in the 90's.

Surely you felt the love when she refused to speak out against immunity for the folks that are spying on your every move. Surely you felt it when she told you that your state, your caucus, your demographic didn't count. Surely the not so hard working, not white Americans feel her love today.

The OP would almost be spot on if love was measured by the amount of money garnered from being in public office, accepting the most lobbyists dollars in history and if it was titled You love Hillary.

Where has she stepped up to oppose the things that have most affected my life while she's been a public figure?

WFRA - FEPA - IWR - KYL-LIEBERMAN - PATRIOT ACT - MCA - BANKRUPTCY BILL - TELECOM SILENCE - NAFTA - NCLB
NO to ANTI TORTURE - NO to BANNING CLUSTER BOMBS

I've got three teenage boys that she's trying to save from video game violence, yet has no problem sending them to the front lines after they've been strangled out of the school system and I can't give them a leg up because my job was shipped overseas.

For those who can look through their rose colored glasses and see a different reality, more power to you. Ignorance is bliss.

The Goddess of Peace loves all people of all nations. Hillary, not so much.



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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:05 PM
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49. Wow, good post.
Sorry about your job.:-(
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:43 PM
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86. Brilliant response
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 12:53 AM
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93. Well said.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:13 AM
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38. Thank you McCamy
Your steadfast support of Hillary has been greatly appreciated.

The truth will set us free.

To Hillary and her love for our country. :toast:
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:21 AM
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39. K&R
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:52 AM
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40. ***News Flash*** : Its over.
Just as Hillary supporters don't want any more Hillary bashing , Obama supporters are tired of hearing about your infatuation with Hillary.

The skies have opened and they have rained on her Presidential and VP chances. Time to stop the worship.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:09 AM
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41. Thank you for the OP
and I love Hillary.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:15 AM
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42. Hillary loves Chelsea, Bill and being POTUS.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 12:54 AM
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94. Not necessarily in that order.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:52 AM
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96. LOL! I thought about posting just that in my post. GMTA.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:19 AM
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45. When she was in a position to make a difference she failed.
When on the Walmart Board of Directors she did nothing to establish equality policies for the female employees of the megacorp and as a result over a million employees and former employees have been allowed to take part in a class action suit against Walmart. Just imagine if she had done something, how those females lifes would have been affected.

As chair of the Superfund and Environmental Health Senate Subcommittee she has yet to call for hearings on the FEMA trailers used after natural disasters such as Katrina and Rita. See that title, it is about Health and toxic substances. She has talked of what she would do if she were president yet as a senator would could do she has done nothing.

Those are just two glowing examples of her obvious failures, you can love her all you want but don't try to get the rest of us who are informed to join you in your efforts to canonize her.

Let her actually get the experience she claims to have, let her do something more than just talk - hold hearings, investigate the issues that matter, propose actual legislation on her own and fight for it.

I have bored with the perceived "greatness" of this candidate. Her goals were not that much different than Obama's - her experience comparable to Obamas. She would have had my support if she had some self respect and if she had shown respect of her opponent and the voters.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:20 AM
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46. She SOUGHT to divide Jewish and black voters in Penn. as a tactic. That's not LOVE or LEADERSHIP
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 09:21 AM by blm
for the Democratic party.

Undermining other Democratic campaigns in past elections to launch your own future race is not LOVE or LEADERSHIP for the Democratic party.

Knowing you lost shortly after Super Tuesday and continuing your race to go negative and smear the certain Dem nominee to assure a McCain presidency so you can run again in 2012, is not LOVE or LEADERSHIP for the Democratic party.


You can HAVE the Clinton style of loving you. I stay away from BULLSHIT ARTISTS telling me how much they love me - I am not 17 years old and starry eyed.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:56 PM
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47. Another good one from one of the true lights at DU.
Your thinking and writing is so clear, your ideas so insightful, your motives so obviously pure, and your devotion to Democrats and a better world so evident that I expect to to be tossed out of here soon.

Sorry for that little rant. Thank you so much for this article. I feel like there is hope each time I read your posts, but then I wade through the sewer that is the minds of your detractors and think there is no hope for DU. I get deleted every time I suggest someone is a rnp troll, but I hope that there are lot of them replying here. Hate to think that the Hooters crowd attacks are from people who think they are Democrats.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:06 PM
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48. The Clintons race-baited as a political tool in their jack-booted quest for the nod.
That fact prevails in spite of your campaign to pull the wool over peoples' eyes. For the record, yes, we are content to believe our lying eyes. I hope she never has an opportunity to take that cheese to the national stage again. Her shameful campaign will go down in the history books as an embarrassment to the Democratic Party.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:24 PM
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52. Hillary loves you, too, AtomicKitten.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:34 PM
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54. The Clintons are only concerned about the Clintons.
But if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy to think otherwise, you go girl!
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:13 PM
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100. Hate is a killer.
Added to prejudice and self-importance, it is fatal.

Go Democrats. Go Obama. We can if we rise above.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:22 PM
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102. and accountability, truth, and open government are the lifeblood of democracy
And contrary to your childish admonitions, all data is on file as we move forward, and no sleight of hand badgering from you and people like you will cast a cloud on the truth.

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:53 PM
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105. So turning away from hate,
stopping prejudice and rising above self importance are childish things?

Yes, I know that DU is still full of those who keep data files of their little hurts and misinformation in their hearts. In big grown-up ways they will always fall back on spite and always see the world through a narrow filter of bile. We children will just go on and help elect President Obama, though. He's a good man. Everyone on DU should try to do the things he says in his speeches.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:44 PM
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56. If she's so full of love then why did she call every Obama supporter stupid and naive?
Why did she praise McBoosh over Obama? Why did she try to legitimize and catapult the rev wright, ayers, and rezko crap? Why did she vote for the IWR? why did she vote against a clusterbomb ban? And on and on and on.

She's a horrible vicious DLC "moderate" who only cares about power, and maybe babies.

I for one will weep if she ends up on the ticket.

I think she's a monster.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:18 PM
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101. Almost every one.
Rove and Co. have gotten you good. In just a few short sentences, you parroted back just about every one of their propaganda smears on Hillary. Even as they confess their work, those that bought the stories and misinterpretations as truth continue to spread them.

Hating Hillary will do no good for Obama. It is the antithesis of his message. The arrows you sling only come back on him.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:26 PM
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53. She loves me Not.
Im one of those awful move-on types.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:41 PM
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55. Wrong...
Hillary loves Hillary...
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:47 PM
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57. Alas. Her love for me will go unrequited.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:49 PM
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58. Let The Candidate Bashing Thread SINK!
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 05:24 PM
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61. Good thing we can all focus on
Winning in November now....
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 05:34 PM
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63. KO is NOT an idiot.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:34 PM
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70. KO just called Hillary "Nixon", said Bill should campaign in another country
even though Bill and Hillary have proven that they can mobilize the Latinos and union voters and lower income working class voters that Obama will need to win this fall--the same demographic that Gallup Polls have shown John McCain can poach from Obama again and again since this demographic admires a war hero almost as much as they admire a Clinton.

KO is a political novice who knows a lot about sports but very little about the kind of politics that most of us at DU have been studying for years---when KO was learning baseball stats as a kid. The naive way he asked Eugene Robinson what use Bill Clinton could be to Barack Obama this fall shows exactly how out of touch KO is. Does KO think that African-American voters will stay home because they see Clinton endorse Obama?

But you know, Hillary loves Olbermann, too. She has the patience of a saint.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:19 PM
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75. And the only voice in the wilderness with the
guts to say anything negative about the criminal regime in the wh.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:40 PM
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88. My gawd!! Will his hate ever end?!!
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IllinoisBirdWatcher Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 05:56 PM
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65. It's too bad this OP is so far behind the Clinton talking points
Thank you for the long cut-n-paste of obsolete Clinton Talking Points, most of which have been debunked and withdrawn by her campaign, but continue for eternity in the minds and hearts of her supporters.

. I. Things She Has Done and Said

a) LIED about Bosnia, publicly and often

b) LIED about her being FOR NAFTA before she was against it, again early and often

c) Legitimatized ASSASSINATION as a topic of Presidential contenders

d) Claimed to be the first First Lady to visit a war zone since since Eleanor Roosevelt, when in fact it was NO LONGER A WAR ZONE

. II. Things She Has Not Done or Said

a) Acknowledged in a timely fashion any state primary contest in which she did not place first

b) Apologized for any of items a) through d) above

c) Acknowledged her opponent for securing the nomination of his party

d) Gracefully STFU so the Party Nominee could celebrate the history-making day last Tuesday.

e) Muzzled her most-often-off-message spouse.

Other that the few items above, the OP seems to have cut-n-pasted a nice, if not very selective summary.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:22 PM
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69. Thanks, but I don't need it.
I had a perfectly good family and I am not looking for a substitute parent figure. And Hillary's kind of love I'd feel much better without, please and thank you.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:40 PM
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72. We'll have to go dutch Hill.
How do you explain the rightwing tactics Hill?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:42 PM
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:43 PM
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74. Great post. Thanks!!!!!!!!!
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:22 PM
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76. Hillary is wonderful.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:47 PM
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78. Hillary Loves The Middle Class!!!
Medium rare.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:48 PM
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79. I think she'll redeem herself well and honorably, and she'd be great in the cabinet.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:59 PM
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82. Sorry, but the turban picture WAS her campaign's doing, and
Stephanie Tubbs-Jones false innocence about it and her smiling description of the costume as Obama's "Native garb" was truly inexcusable. I'm not a Hillary-hater, but I'll never look at her or Tubbs-Jones the same way after that ignorant shit.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:38 AM
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98. That photo was on the front pages of tabloids long before Drudge had it.
And it was first 'owned' by the Obama Camp, since it was a photo-op he participated in.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:30 PM
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84. is there a point to what you wrote?
she ran a bad campaign and came up short...it`s no ones fault but hers.

why in the hell did i waste my time replying...oh well i guess i`m bored
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bohemianguy Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:39 PM
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85. ?
Hillary Clinton loves me? The essentially republican, pro-corporate power, pro-Iraq war Hillary Clinton?

Forgive me if I fail to care. I sincerely hope she goes away and is never heard from again.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:41 PM
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89. I know she does!
And I love her.

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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:33 PM
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90. Hillary Clinton loves me?
Good...I can hit her up for a loan...wait a minute, she may hit me up for a loan...nevermind.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 12:23 AM
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91. Another K&R
Good post! And SO true!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:35 AM
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97. Thanks for this great post.
:dem:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:45 AM
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99. K&R!
:kick:
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:11 PM
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106. Hillary Voted for the War
Hillary voted for the destruction of Iraq, and not for particularly good reasons. Certainly she knew what Bush was up to; everybody else did. She was afraid that she'd look soft if she voted against it. Frankly, that was the end of her political career. She never recovered her credibility after that.

We don't hear this topic discussed because the Hillary people got uncomfortable when it comes up. It happens that every other Democrat who voted for the war lost out, too. The war is not a small issue; it's the defining issue of the Bush presidency. Hillary supported the war.
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