Andrews says he heard racist strategy from Clinton camp

<<<U.S. Rep. Rob Andrews, who supported Hillary Clinton throughout the primary season, disclosed he received a phone call shortly before the April 22 Pennsylvania primary from a top member of Clinton's organization and that the caller explicitly discussed a strategy of winning over Jewish voters by exploiting tensions between Jews and African-Americans.

"There have been signals coming out of the Clinton campaign that have racial overtones that indeed disturb me," Andrews said at his campaign headquarters in Cherry Hill Tuesday night after he lost his bid for the Democratic U.S. Senate nomination.

"Frankly, I had a private conversation with a high-ranking person in the campaign ... that used a racial line of argument that I found very disconcerting. It was extremely disconcerting given the rank of this person. It was very disturbing."

Andrews said the phone call came after he angered the Clinton camp by making some positive comments about Obama. He would not disclose the caller's name because of the private nature of the conversation>>>




http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/topstories/index.ssf/2008/06/andrews_says_he_heard_racist_s.html

My sentiments exactly.

We all knew it, the confirmation matters little at this point.

We can't let this issue go until she re-programs her racist supporters' mindsets - which she has neither the intention of, nor the capability of doing. The whole point of this article linked to herein is that the pair of world-class narcissists known as bill & hill have nurtured the dormant racism of poor whites throughout this campaign, and the fallout from that vile act will be about as easy to clean up as the Exxon Valdez oil spill.

The Clintons' racist campaign is a gift of evil which keeps on giving, as we see from the more virulent HRC supporters, aka The Ignored, spewing their hate on DU. It was one thing to create and nurture these amoral zombies (referring to the all the poor white racists, not just the DU Ignored) - quite another to return them whence they came.


Patterns of Bigotry: Hillary's Wreckage
June 5, 2008
Patterns of Bigotry
Hillary's Wreckage
By SHARON SMITH

A 2007 Gallup poll showed 94 percent of U.S. respondents saying they would vote for a Black presidential candidate, while 88 percent indicated they would vote for a woman. A Newsweek poll released on May 26th showed roughly 70 percent of voters agreeing that the country is ready for a Black man to serve as president, up from just 37 percent in the 2000 election. The political landscape has at long last shifted sharply away from the racist and sexist bigotry that have kept the popular majority so divided historically, ignoring their shared interests--and thereby allowing the political status quo to continue to flourish.

But this seismic shift in mass consciousness was nowhere to be seen in the Democratic primaries in recent months. On the contrary, as Hillary Clinton’s quest for the Democratic nomination succumbed to the momentum of Senator Barack Obama’s, the multi-millionaire Clinton ludicrously posed as a populist spokesperson for that minority of stereotypical rural, racist whites who steadfastly refuse to vote for any Black candidate -- complete with photo-ops swilling shots of whiskey and posing on the back of pickup truck. As New York Times columnist Bob Herbert noted, “There was a name for it when the Republicans were using that kind of lousy rhetoric to good effect: it was called the Southern strategy, although it was hardly limited to the South. Now the Clintons, in their desperation to find some way — any way — back to the White House, have leapt aboard that sorry train.”

Before embracing a classic “Southern strategy,” the Clintons seem to have paid close attention to polls such as one conducted by the Los Angeles Times in 2006 that reported only 34 percent of respondents said they could vote for a Muslim for president. Even prior to the January Iowa caucuses, at least two Clinton staffers forwarded an email reading, "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy. Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level." Clinton summarily fired the two staffers, yet the campaign theme remained, even as right-wing bloggers circulated rumors, as the Washington Post reported, claiming that Obama is “a ‘Muslim plant’ in a conspiracy against America, and that, if elected president, he would take the oath of office using a Koran, rather than a Bible.”

In this process, Clinton has shifted the parameters of election year politics backwards by several decades--away from the most urgent issues facing voters, which include falling living standards, lack of healthcare and the Iraq war—to a debate over whether a Black person has a democratic right to become president over the persistent opposition of a minority of white racists who happen to be “swing voters.” She has deliberately stoked the mistaken and racist fear that Muslims threaten the principles of democracy.

Please read the entire article at:
http://www.counterpunch.org/sharon06052008.html

the Clintons out of politics for good.

I think this needs to be published widely in NY. NY has such a diverse population that a politician who uses bigot-pandering as a tool is totally unsuited for representing it.

if not decades.

That's quite a legacy the Clintons have left us: reversing the progress made on racial tolerance.

not just in the GE, but as long as they are in politics.

... these people are still representing our party. They still hold considerable power and influence.

As Democrats we have a duty to make sure our elected officials are promoting our core values... and this ain't one of them.

That's what's really sad. It must be true,it's on the internet!!

...read the article

:eyes:

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To PM stalk? I suspect we won't be seeing much of your crazy ass after June 11th considering you won't be able to attack Obama and his supporters. We all know the crazy makes it hard for you to contain yourself.

:crazy:

and George Bush.

experience for you, but it's really one you should try at least once.

It's a quote from a named source; a Clinton supporter and a Congressman. If it's inaccurate, kitten, than Andrews will surely correct the record.


Why don't you scurry off, kitten, and see if you can find Andrews' disavowal of the quote?

Good luck with that, kitty

Other than you don't like what he said, how is this rumor or gossip?


None are more blind, than those who refuse to see.


PS- This is an article from the Newark Star-Ledger. So your comment about this being on the internet is just plain wrong.:eyes:

I don't believe it!

:sarcasm:

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Are you serious?

(I know you are but I had to ask.)

When Hillary lied about being shot at in Bosnia you defended her then too. It was fine to lie. It was okay to do all the underhanded crap she has done. Do you ever just slap yourself into awakeland?

So why don't we concentrate more on the fact that John McCain seems to have staffed his entire campaign with nothing but lobbyists?

They slimed Obama with every trick they had in their arsenal and in the end, they still lost.

Very sad.

You have not explained yourself or your line of reasoning

wre trying to exploit between the Black and Jewish communities as well as HOW and WHEN they were doing it. Relations have been tenuous for a while but I was so PROUD that most Blacks and Jews REFUSED to take the bait. You saw it at places like DU over and over again. Both groups closed ranks and refused to play.

What's very sad is your inability to process things as they happen and continue denying the proof they were planned.

It's one thing to ask people to let it go but it's totally unacceptable to deny it. That only adds insult to injury which may be your intention.

... which lends credibility to the earlier White vs Black claims (and which explains that the Clintons thought there might be more to win by alienating the black vote and driving the demographic to Obama, enabling such polarizing politics).

The anger at such tactics is somewhat lessened by their overall failure... though the effects may linger through November.

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Very VERY sad.

of what's going on here, Lucky 13. I might have to use that myself someday because in one short sentence it wraps it up.

but I believe this should counter all of those arguments about Barack running a sexist campaign.

race into the campaign.

...at least this is over and we've got time to come together before November.

Saying every chance he could get that Obama could not win because of his race. He was doing his best to keep Obama's race front and center.

Hillary to Richardson. No surprise he jumped ship. And caught hell for it from Bill and called "Judas" by Carville. Nice.

Not Obama "not winning," but this, over and over: "He can't WIN, Bill." "He can't WIN, Bill." "He can't WIN, Bill." "He can't WIN, Bill." I was so glad when I woke up this a.m.

"he CAN'T win, Bill"

who cling to the false idea that Hillary was an innocent victim of sexism, so they refuse to support Obama. Best to bombard them with facts and the truth. Maybe in time it will wear away the armor of ignorance.

of the RFK "'gaffe'<<not". Nothing. Ever. Period.

No. Racism should not be tolerated and should be dealt with head on.

enough already

this is news of a factual nature. It's not an opinion piece or some sort of hit piece. As such all DUers deserved to hear about it. It wasn't up to me to play censor.

The story never should have been printed since Andrews provided no source for his lies. See my posts below.

Your theory was wrong every way it could be looked at.

comment was named. I don't know this guy and don't know his motivations so I wouldn't normally take someone's word that I don't know at all over someone I know better. In addition, it doesn't make a lot of sense that the Clinton campaign was angry about comments he made about Obama and then would trust him to not speak publicly about something like this.

It could be true, it could be false. I would like more information before I make that determination. Call me a skeptic.

what good would that have done?

campaign actually said that, maybe their political career should be destroyed. Plus it makes it more credible for people who are not predisposed to believe every nasty comment made about Hillary/her campaign.

or a rogue person. Although it would seem, based on the reply from the Hillary people, the rougue scenerio isn't possible.

we get back to the original point that there is not enough information FOR ME to accept this information as truth.

Obama yesterday. Welcome.

On the topic of this thread, I think unfortunately we are going to have entire books written about this primary season in addition to individuals going on the record with little tidbits.

I wish it were not so. I wish we could all just unify and not look back.

Had this information not come from a congressman, it probably would not have been news and certainly wouldn't have been posted.

that made me feel there was really only one choice. to report it.

It must be hard to get that much hate out of your system.

Seems to me it's delusion, not hate, that is the biggest problem.

at the facts... Ever!

Go ahead - it's revealing about YOUR character and your concerns for the wellbeing of the Democratic PARTY and this nation.

after 6/11 hillary supporters wont be allowed to spread their lies anymore

so they are trying to indulge themselves as much as possible.

each time I was hoping they would stop using racial divisions to promote their candidate.

We are still waiting for Hillary to concede and tell her supporters to vote for Obama... till then..there is nothing to stop.

It's politics. And it's politics to move on from it. We have a president to elect.

1) He refuses to say who supposedly told him this "because of the private nature of the conversation," and yet he has no problem bringing up something this vicious and trying to smear the Clinton campaign in general.

2) He says he heard this "racial line of argument" AFTER he'd made some positive comments about Obama. Even if someone high-ranking in the Clinton campaign had ever said the sort of thing Andrews is claiming was said -- which I do NOT believe -- then Andrews would have been the last person they'd have mentioned this to.

Neither his story, nor his claim that he can't divulge the name of that person because of the "private" nature of the conversation, makes any sense.

And you know, if this was someone who'd worked for Obama who came out complaining that someone high in Obama's campaign had made misognyistic remarks -- and then refused to identify that person because this had been a "private" conversation (despite his spilling it to the media) -- you'd be screaming about that and calling it an unsourced smear, and telling people they shouldn't believe it.

I don't know what's motivating Andrews to say anything like this, unless he hopes to ingratiate himself with Obama's supporters by smearing the Clinton campaign.

He was a Clinton supporter, after all.

I run into this where ever I discuss the clear racism coming from The Clinton. But the capper was "hard working" white people... Talk about code words.

Excellent post.

he had a falling out with some members of the Clinton staff because he had made positive comments about Obama.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. Why doesn't the guy just identify who this supposed person with?

I can say that I had a conversation with someone very high up in the Obama organization who told me that nomad1776 does nothing with his/her time but write OP's bashing Clinton. It wouldn't make it true.

Or maybe it would.

and McCulliffe and every other person that told the truth about what went on in their administration?

Don't you find it disturbing that he was taken to task for saying something positive about Obama? After all Obama is a Democrat and odds are very good that at the time he said those things, Obama had pretty much clinched things. In fact I think I find that aspect of the story as disturbing as the blatant explotation of racism by the Clinton people.

campaign.

Again, this is an unsourced smear, and you would not have found it acceptable if a similar smear had been made against the Obama campaign by someone claiming to have talked to someone high in Obama's campaign but refusing to name that person.

there are no bonus points for "smearing" Hillary. I find it disturbing that you don't believe the word of a US Congressman and Clinton supporter JUST because you don't like what he had to say.

for him to smear her campaign in general by telling the media about this alleged call and refusing to say which person allegedly said this. He should at least have the integrity to tell the media just who supposedly said this to him, and give them a chance to reply, rather than smearing her campaign in general.

that he learned about. What would have been unethical was to mention it before his election, so that he could garner the support of Obama people. He reported something, he had a moral obligation to report. To suggest the man is lying, just because you don't like what he is saying, is wrong.

He wants Lautenberg's senate seat when he retires:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6299560&mesg_id=6299744

not the US President.

I am talking about when his seat expires in 2014 and he will be 91 years old and obviously retire. But even if it is by Lautenberg retiring early, don't you think that Corzine would be influenced by a recommendation from the President should that occur?

Andrews doesn't want Obama to endorse Steve Rothman for the seat.

and 2014. So that would be even a bigger reach. You know before you call a man a liar, you really should have something to back it up. Otherwise you are just guilty of some very dishonorable actions.

He refused to give any source for his statements. That is irresponsible, accusing the person he supported of racism with no proof that anyone can question. It is no different than the slimy rumors of a supposed tape of Michelle Obama being peddled by Larry Johnson.

Andrews is a wingnut in Dem clothing. There is nothing "dishonorable" about calling out rumor mongers.

Sure, he makes these comments AFTER losing the senate primary to Lautenberg in a nasty campaign in which Andrews' only issue was ageism, saying Lautenberg was too old to be in the Senate. When Lautenberg does retire after this term he wants his seat and Andrews is very, very worried that Obama will endorse his chief opponent for that seat, who has made it known that he would like to run for Senate when Lautenberg retires, Rep. Steve Rothman (NJ-9), who was the ONLY member of Congress from NJ who endorsed Obama last year.

Andrews didn't even have the decency to wait until Lautenberg, who saved our asses in NJ after the Torricelli scandals, retires. Fuck him. I wouldn't believe a word he says. I supported Obama but I think Andrews is just stabbing Hillary in the back to help his own Senate chances.

In NJ that is currently Corzine (the first Governor that came out for Hillary). So you need to come up with another idea, to try and dispute the truth.

Not if they have any brains

Do presidents usually get involved in gubernatorial appointments of Senate replacements? I've not heard of that. I guess a president could have some pull if he wanted to but I would think that wouldn't be where they would want to expend political capital.

You think that if Obama picked up the phone and asked Corzine to "do me a favor" he'd say no? NJ needs roads paved and bridges built and all sorts of things. That's how it works and Corzine is no dope.

so how does your theory work? You really should have some facts or at least sound and air tight reasoning, before you call a man a liar. What you did was lacking in honor.

of the gov replacing Lautenberg after retirement. I was talking about after Lautenberg retires when his senate seat is up. An endorsement in the primary of Andrews' opponent by the sitting Dem president would be a real big problem for Andrews and Obama owes Steve Rothman BIGTIME for his early endorsement in 2007.

Hey, I live in NJ and know what is going on here. It is a battle between north Jersey and south Jersey, with Andrews representing the south and Rothman the north. You have no idea what is going on. I do.

with out an ounce of proof or evidence. I find that disturbing.

He is no better than Larry Johnson with his "whitey" rumor. He accused the Clinton campaign (and note I was an Obama supporter) of blatant racism in a newspaper with no proof whatsoever and I should defend myself for questioning him? Laughable.

To call a man/woman a liar with out any proof is dishonorable.

Andrews is the one who should be providing proof.

BTW, where do you sit at Giants Stadium. I'm in Section 123

Although unless he was illegally taping all his phone calls, that could prove difficult.

I don't have season tickets, as you know they are extremely difficult to come by. Although I usually get to a game or two every season.

That's why some senators refuse to resign their seats even when they're terminally ill - because if their governor is from the other party, it's a net loss for the Senator's party.

... as a slap in the face to Clinton
... and because Barack has promised them something.


That is the way 90's, Clinton-style politics works. Not anymore. Their time is over. Ours is just beginning.

After Clinton for President, no one can have any credibility of their own. I'm appalled at the number of posters who can't take Andrews at his word, or at least consider him somewhat credible, instead choosing to paint him as a traitor to Clinton and a crypto-Obama supporter. What must be emphasized is that Clinton turned off many party leaders with this narrow and destructive vision of politics that would divide the party into rival gangs.

He is terrified that Obama would support his only NJ endorser, Rep Steve Rothman, for Lautenberg's senate seat when he retires or perhaps resigns early. So he makes this shit up to make up to Obama for the lack of endorsement.

The president does not hold such authority over mid-term replacements. Besides, if Andrews really wanted to ingratiate himself, he could have switched his endorsement at that time.

But it was no "gamble" for him, was it, because Hillary was "inevitable"? You are really naive if you don't think a president cannot influence state appointments when it is for someone who went to bat for him very early in the game (Rothman endorsed Obama in 2007). Pols are like elephants - they never forget favors.

Clinton and Obama are not warlords. This may be the vision of an uncivil political order that Clinton wants to establish; it may be how Fox News wants use to approach politics. Unfortunately, some of Clinton's supporters have become polarized.

That is the sort of political world, we don't want to see.

and claiming a man lied with out an ounce of proof. So who is really the honest person?

with out a shred of proof. Who is the dishonest one?

:eyes:

remember when you insisted that there was barely anyone attending an Ohio Obama event? Uproarious!. Remember your dozens of posts about how Obama would never win the nomination? Even funnier.

Your stuff is such bullshit, it's funny.

Don't you ever have anything of substance to say?

And it's typical of you that you can dish it out, but you can't take it. Still, you do amuse me.

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had to say about her and her campaign, "gullible" is something of substance?:shrug:

:rofl:

and which ones are automatically liars? Or do you us the criteria that anyone that says anything bad about St Hillary are automatically lying?

that would be a good start. Keep in mind there are people who are trying to divide Democrats, there's no point in giving them more ammunition.

Guilty of believing news stories and statements from legislators on occasion. Sounds like you have no such guilt.

Marking my calendar.

about some of your heroes who don't care how badly they hurt our party or our country as they seek to form a more perfect union with the Bushes.

that criticism of Clinton is not going anywhere- nor is criticism of Obama. Criticism is not invariably bashing.

:shrug:

As Democrats, we have a right to call out and defeat racism - even within our own party.

There are somethings that are unacceptable, no matter who is the culprit.

Hypocrisy in action.

If you do, I'd like to see hard evidence please.

The Wright issue is self-explanatory. Does he have to disassociate from him MULTIPLE times for you to be satisfied?

Please. Did you sleep through the 24-7 news coverage of the three lines or so from Wright, followed by analysis, speeches, snide references, and debates on DU?

What do you even consider to be racism? Obama is bi-racial. Is he racist against himself?

He supported Ginrich when he was in the House.

For NJ it is amazing that we have a Dem in Congress who is so conservative.

As far as Byzantine Empires go..you cats are 2nd to none.
Rob, is a tad to the right of his district, (Jim Florio's old district) but it's so DARK BLUE it gives him the option to "go right" lots of times.

Yeah, "Byzantine Empire" all right. Bergen County has been Democratically controlled for all of about 5 years out of the last 40, a real "empire". South Jersey is used used to calling all the shots that it cannot accept anyone else having any influence is what this is all about.

I've been around the block too

Hmmm?
South Jersey called NO shots until Dick Hughes (my uncle) in the Summer of 1961.
Recall Frank "I Am the Law" Hague?
Ralph Rose,Jimmy Dugan?
The Jersey City crowd.

Why should a Bergen County Democrat have to explain State Sen Cardinale (R-39th) who is a Republican? He is probably to the right of Attila the Hun and unfortunately I live in his district so I don't like being reminded of him.

They're gonna get all their kicks in between now and the 11th, when GD-P is dissolved.

His lust for Lautenberg's senate seat is so disgusting to me that he totally repels me.

I find that pretty disgusting.

that doesn't seem to make any sense.

if it came to an endorsement or recommendation to run for senate. Andrews is to the right, Rothman is a liberal. Andrews supported Clinton, Rothman endorsed Obama early, in 2007, was booed for it by fellow Democrats. So who do you think Obama would endorse? Which one of those guys do you think would pull a stunt to try to get back into Obama's favor?

this entire current campaign he has been telling New Jerseyians that he is some huge liberal while his entire record is otherwise. He wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass.

He.Does.Not.Lie.

since.you.put.periods.between.the.words.

Where did that silly little affectation come from, anyway? Lately it's been sweeping through DU like cholera through a 19th century slum.

I'll take that shot from someone from Panama City with a grain of sand. LOL
See sig line,pal.
Everything in life is a big yuck after that experience.
:rofl: :patriot: :rofl:

Lautenberg saved the Senate for Democrats when he stepped out of retirement to take Torricelli's place on the ballot and Andrews, who apparently can't wait until Lautenberg either retires (or dies) thanks him by trying to take his seat away. Nice guy - not.

...but, he is very opportunistic and really likes attention.

If he is so "nice", then explain to me why he tried to take a US Senate seat away from the guy who was begged by Dems to come out of retirement to save us when Torricelli exploded?

He is a skunk

the "Torch" flamed-out in September. Frank's a GREAT American, no doubt.:patriot:

As of September,at the N.J. State Dem Convention, the "Old Man" was quite satisfied with Rob .

Too conservative.

by comparison.

Along with Denny Mack and Adam Z. Go,Bergen Dems!

I met him many years ago when he was a young lawyer and worked at his father's law office/real estate firm in Englewood. He was, as I recall, one of the first breakthroughs from total Repub control in Bergen County when he won as Surrogate and I consider him A-1 material for the Senate.

The other guys, yeah, them too. I am worried though that Christie, who obviously wants to be gov, seems to have his sights set on Joey F and hope that doesn't sink us/him. I saw what Christie tried to do to Menendez just before the election with subpoenas regarding his real estate rentals and see the same thing coming for this year's pres election to bust up the Bergen County Dems for the election.

I drove over to the District Office and told his Office to tell the Cong "this is NOT productive"

Charges of racism are political nuclear weapons. Rep. Andrews should be specific in his charges, or he should keep his mouth shut.

in to the Party Tent.

but would ruining that person's political career accomplish?

When it comes to charging racism, that's just plain reckless.

Shame on you, Rep. Andrews.

they didn't and I think that is damning.

That fact that she never chastened her supporters that were using race as a bludgeon against Barack has made me cool to her. But to hear confirmation that racism was an actual campaign strategy makes me sick. She has opened a Pandora's box of racism and made it almost acceptable for her supporters to be against Obama "because he's black." I am through with the Clintons.

Hillary's campaign was offensive because she ventured into areas of attack that no Democrat should have. The divisiveness, repeatedly denied and ignored (inside and outside her campaign), was frustrating. Her speech last night was a culmination of all her damaging actions.

One has to wonder why someone of Hillary's stature would, after being given the benefit of the doubt for months, still lack the judgment to do the right thing in the end?

She certainly put her rubber stamp on a "permission slip"

He HAS to cut-a-deal to wrest the nomination of the 1st District BACK from his wife!
Yes,indeed, South Jersey looks more like Jersey City every year! LOL!

Who cares, they're road kill. Fuck that whole crew of racist shitbags. :mad:

of the Obama camp alerting all the media and paper outlets their twisted version of the JFK statement and how they wanted it presented to the public.

Politics is disturbing.

not an Obama camper

I really don't give a damn at this point. Just get the hell on with it.

No name? It's a lie.

You need to open your mind to the new political reality that is Barack Obama.

PS- Is it honest to call a man a liar, with out an ounce of proof? In the Obama world, that's consided dishonorable.

He called the Clinton campaign racist, without an ounce of proof.
No name? He's lying to cover his ass and suck up to the Obama Camp.

that is like a gallon of proof

made some real mistakes you can stop running around DU throwing Democrats under the bus. Maybe you should weight which is more likely a vast left wing conspiracy against Hillary...or Hillary running a bad campaign.

You don't make any sense. I guarantee that the Obama camp doesn't want him saying this type of stuff, because it will continue to divide the Dem Party and make some Hillary supporters angry. Stop trying to blame everything on Obama's camp.

"Look guys, I'm on your side now!"

It only serves to make some Hillary supporters more resistant to backing Obama. Not sure why that's so hard to understand. I'm a staunch Obama supporter and I wish that he would have bit his tongue. Even if it was true, talking about it to the press is not helping the Dem Party.

Please, he's the guy who ran against Lautenberg and ran a zillion negative ads questioning Lautenberg's age. That's all he based his campaign on: Lautenberg is too old for the job.

Well, guess what? It so turned off people that Lautenberg won by a landslide.

http://politickernj.com/matt-friedman/19924/andrews-ad-broaches-age-issue

Attack the source, deny, disbelieve any statement that sheds a bad light on the infallible Clintons, whether it's the House whip or a "DINO" congressman, if it's critical of the Clinton campaign, must be all made up to please Obama.

And they tried to say Obama supporters are brainwashed. :crazy:

I fear politicians like Rangel and Andrews will go down with the Clintons, as their constituents reject their tolerace of bigot-pandering.

What is wrong with these Democratic politicians? They should have been proud to take a stand against these tactics, but instead allowed Hillary to pimp their positions to advance her bigot-pandering and racism agenda.

After that "as far as I know" comment I would expect anything out of her. It say quite a bit about her when she has to resort to racism in order to win when she claims she has the experience and the no how. All that experience got her was a Tuzla lie and a one way ticket out of this race, thank the gods. This needs to be exposed because if this is the way they run things the Clintons need to get out of politics for good. The Dem party has no room for this shit.

Of course.

... that HER campaign exploited race in an attempt to divide.

AWFUL. HIDEOUS. SHAMEFUL. UNFORGIVABLE.

And to all the Hillary apologists out there, NO I will not sit down and shut up about Hillary's behavior. This is unacceptable, whether you are still running for President or not. This calls into question whether any of us should support her even for Senate re-election.

Anyone who would use such a divisive tactic has no place in our party.

I am left speechless by your logic and eloquence.

:sarcasm:

This doesn't make me love Hillary less, it makes me less likely to vote for Obama. The purpose is to make Hillary and Bill into people who need him to achieve "redemption." It won't work. But it says a lot about what kind of person Barack Obama is.

Steve

the transition at all.

and already been criticized and belittled for what I said.

I have said that I will vote for Obama in the 2008 GE. I will vote against him in the 2012 Democratic Primaries. I am only giving him my vote to save the Supreme Court.

Steve

The congressman was a Clinton Superdelegate.


How on earth can you claim that Obama made him say this?



Wow.


:tinfoilhat:

This post is a DUzy.


1. Andrews is a Clinton supporter
2. Andrews said something negative about Clinton

In Stevie's world, this can only mean:

3. Obama is to blame.


:crazy:

Obama is to blame because he's a "bad human being". :rofl: Wait....one more! :rofl:

I suggest you not do this anymore.

Why keep beating a dead horse???