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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:02 AM
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Watching DiFi on MSNBC, I don't think the Obama/HRC meeting went so swimmingly
A few minutes ago, she basically said it was good for the two to get together and "just be human beings." Harmless enough, but she then added that it was a "good first step" as part of a process that is going to take some time, and she hopes there can be more meetings like it.

Her demeanor spoke louder than her words. Common ground was hard to come by last night, IMHO.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:03 AM
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1. It doesn't matter
in 3 weeks she'll be irrelevant except for the 5% of her supporters that are crazy.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:05 AM
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4. As much as you hate to think about it,
if 5% of her supporters vote for McCain in the GE, Obama is going to have a very hard time winning.

This isn't about getting a majority of them to vote for Obama (as a majority obviously will). This is about getting the vast, vast majority.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:08 AM
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9. Obama will make up that loss by stealing McCain voters
who would think about voting for him but won't because of the war and the economy.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:11 AM
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14. 5% of her supporters
are already in the McCain camp because of how riled up she got them.

Nothing can be done to turn them. They are about defeating Obama now.

We'll make that up in Voter Registration and independents.

Democrats lose that traditionally in any election because of people who are actually GOP but never bothered to switch their registration. The GOP has people who are dems but never switched either.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:17 AM
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22. I have two young daughters 22 and 24
who will be voting for Obama so I'm making up for 2 (psycho) HRC defectors
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:32 AM
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My Mother converted
She's now a democrat :-)

There is another one.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:08 AM
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8. Don't forget the 20%
Of her supporters who were "republicans" working to destroy the democrats and keep the war between her and Obama going!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:10 AM
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13. Something that needs to be said more often...
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State the Obvious Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:32 AM
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29. This should be mentioned more often
The pundits are using charts/graphs to emphasize approximately 24% Clinton supporters will vote for McCain. My guess is that these are the Limbaugh Republicans that wanted to slant the primary in the first place.

But why is this not being mentioned?
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:04 AM
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2. Regardless of how Hillary feels right now, she has
to step up to the plate and be a team player. She has been coming off like a Prima Donna and that is not good for her or the party.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:16 AM
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21. Agreed.
It's clear that her INTENT on Tuesday night was to hold the party hostage. Thank God for us that it backfired on her, else she would still be making demands before she concedes.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:05 AM
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3. doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm sure it was a somewhat difficult meeting.
But probably not with animosity.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:06 AM
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5. So, he passed on the anvil and anchor she offered?
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miles 2 go Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:49 AM
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35. Good one. n/t
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:07 AM
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6. at least she didn't say; "....they only stabbed each other 4 times..."
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:08 AM
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7. it's been a hard-fought primary so it can't be easy for her to let go
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 11:08 AM by Blue_Roses
which is obvious I guess. She seems to have mixed emotions on this, but is moving toward the right direction. I know she's got to be sad. It was her dream. For that, I do feel for her. But still...
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:09 AM
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11. Her ego is giving McCain a headstart
Time for her to suck it up and get over it. The Party can't afford to coddle her for too long while McCain is trying to cover up his many faults, like reading a prompter.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:08 AM
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10. They will never be good at communicating with each other.
Her style is to nag until she gets what she wants, and his style is to ignore nagging and go at his own speed.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:11 AM
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15. That's precisely why she is not on the V.P. short list
even if the Obama camp says that she's on it. Also, Obama announcing that the DNC will no longer accept PAC and lobbyist money is not good for Hillary. Now she's running almost full speed counter to his political message. I remember her explaining it away as, "They're Americans too." It'll be interesting to see how Hillary handles her political future re: accepting lobbyist/PAC money.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:32 PM
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38. She wants things her way, and years of nagging have worked for her.
After the past five months, I sure understand Bill a lot better. I can't imagine how he's put up with that the past two decades.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:12 AM
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16. what a stupid, sexist characterization
and one you can't possibly know anything about.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:15 AM
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20. Perhaps nag isn't the best word.
But her, "Shame on you Barack Obama" episode was quite disturbing to any neutral observer. Obama probably had trouble sleeping that night wondering what Hillary was planning against him.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:34 PM
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39. NAG is the best word for Hillary. She nags, and nags, and nags, and thinks that will work.
Just because she got away with that nonsense with Bill, because he felt guilty about his daliances, doesn't mean the Big O will let her get away with it. There's a new sheriff in town, and the Clintons better get it through their heads.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:19 AM
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23. Enjoy your last few days here MF
oh yea-and just like Ben David and NJSec...you WON'T be missed
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:29 AM
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28. You're definitely talking crazy.
Someone like you would be TS'ed before MonkeyFunk.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:47 AM
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31. Oh yea I've been here since the beginning
why? BECAUSE AT LEAST I'M A FUCKING DEMOCRAT
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:48 AM
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32. Monkeyfunk has been Tombstoned before.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:38 AM
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30. nag, berate, badger, bother...
Different (non-"sexist") words could be used, but nagging does describe what she basically did to the Democratic Party itself. She wouldn't stop badgering us about why she should be the nominee long after it was appropriate for her to stop, long after it made sense to stop. As far as this campaign has gone, that *has* been her style. Whether it defines her personally I don't know, but many of her supporters have loved to point out what a "fighter" she is, and that would indicate that this sort of inappropriate relentlessness is part of her personality. So it IS something we can 'know about', at least by inference.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:48 AM
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34. Bunch of fools ... THIS is what happened!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6301560
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muleboy303 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:29 AM
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27. sexist, but accurate
she is always "the victim who fights back"

hopefully she will learn a new persona like
the one she displayed for only a minute
at the Austin debate on 21 February.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:38 PM
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41. no, it's not sexist
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 12:38 PM by TexasObserver
The word nag, both noun and verb, accurately describes who Hillary is and what she does. If some like to infer that nag is a word that only describes women, then they're free to do that, but it's their misperception of language, not mine.

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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:09 AM
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12. From what I have read, Feinstein said she left the two alone to speak together.
So unless one of them told her what they discussed or how the meeting actually went she does not know and neither does anybody here regardless of how much anybody want to speculate.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:12 AM
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17. Okay,Okay, I'll speculate..
she said I want it to be a co-presidency and he said HELL NO!
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:13 AM
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18. I guarantee she has a gut feeling about how it went though
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:14 AM
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19. It's probably based on something mysterious like, "So, Hillary, how'd it go?"
She knows everything that happened.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:20 AM
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24. No soup for her!!
Barack is the leader of the Democratic Party now.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:22 AM
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25. Wait a minute... you're basing this on her demeanor?
Was she flinching or something? Did she cross her arms and roll her eyes?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:25 AM
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26. Reserved, realistic, not effusive
etc., etc.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:48 AM
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33. I've never seen Diane Feinstein change her demeanor in her entire career.
She is one of the least expressive people I have ever seen.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:57 AM
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36. Let the negotiations begin..
they each have something the other wants, so I'm sure there will be some tough negotiating and some back and forth for the next day or so. Neither one is stupid or ignorant. That's big-time politics, not for the thin skinned.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:00 PM
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37. I don't want Obama kissing Hillary's ass. He shouldn't have to beg for her support.
From what Feinstein says, I get the impression he went to Hillary in person to negotiate and let bygones be bygones, but she isn't quite ready to do that yet.

I will reserve saying anything else until I hear her speech tomorrow.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:35 PM
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40. Sounds like Little Mrs. Entitled threw a hissy fit. How Presidential of her...
I would expect Hillary to behave any differently that how she has conducted herself throughout the primary season...WITHOUT CLASS OR DIGNITY. She deserves nothing less than to be thrown to the political scrap pile of history. Good riddance to a pain-in-the-ass.

J
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