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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:17 AM
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What Time Is the Concession Speech?

It's a Day Late and a Dollar Short. But will Hillary finally Do the Right Thing? Post your predictions here.












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WillyToad Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:22 AM
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1. Actually it is early....
Bill Richardson didn't endorse Al Gore til five months after Gore became the presumptive nominee, Paul Tsongas took four months to endorse Bill Clinton.

Obama supporters are just too thin skinned.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:26 AM
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3. Yeah, we're kinda sensitive about people who hint that our candidate might get shot
Your comparisons are specious at best. This is a unique primary season with two unique candidates. One of these candidates has done her best to divide the party down racial and gender lines. Now she needs to mend some fences, assuming that's still possible.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:40 AM
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17. I would wager there will be ... something . . . a little off --- as usual --- !!!
HRC has to stop demanding that she's owed the VP office ---
Forget about trying to keep hold of her delegates ---
Drop the PETITION to put her in the VP slot ---
And work off her own campaign debts the way everyone else does!!

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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:22 PM
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48. She never said that she was owed the VP slot, she can do what she wants with her delegates,
the petition was started by other people (who had every right to do so), and it is none of your business how she pays off her campaign debt.

Besides, Hillary's debt will be paid off by Obama donors--and Obama will get added money by Clinton donors.

Hillary has behaved magnificently, she owes nobody any apologies and she has no need for redemption.

Steve
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:38 PM
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49. Well, if appearances count at all . .
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 04:39 PM by defendandprotect
HRC has been demanding the VP slot . . .
a PETITION that she was asked about and didn't stop --- ???

Of course, her borrowing, who she takes money from and how she gets back her personal funds are
all issues for voters to look at and understand --

The DLC does not behave "magnificently" --- neither did HRC -- and BOTH should leave the party ---



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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:55 PM
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53. Thank you for bringing up the DLC. It just goes to prove that this was all ideologically driven
from day one. Which on some level is fine. But the Clintons have been smeared in a hateful campaign of personal destruction by people who saw an opening to take the party in a different direction. Accusations of race-bating and assasination threats were a fictitious narrative in order to advance an ideological cause--just like the GOP did in the 90s.

Steve
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:47 AM
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22. No SHIT!
Thanks, jgraz. You say stuff I wish I could.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 03:13 AM
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33. She didn't do what you accuse her of, she has no need to mend fences (Rangel called her
"our leader"), and the RFK accusation was pure, McCarthyite garbage. She never suggested it or hinted at it.

Steve
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 06:05 AM
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36. Of course she did. And her need to mend fences is well beyond her ability to do so.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:19 PM
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47. You don't speak for all Americans, or anywhere approaching a majority. Her standing in NY
is just fine and she remains well-like in the Senate. A left wing challenger in 2012 will do no better then they did in 2006.

Steve
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:40 PM
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50. hmmm....
talk about being in denial -- !!!
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:28 AM
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4. Different years, different situations, nice try though.
fail
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:30 AM
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7. It would be easier for everyone if you just put all of your gratuitous evaluations
in one thread.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:30 AM
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31. it will be a carefully worded non-concession
like the fake apologies so many give these days - "I'm sorry if I offended..." instead of "I was wrong and I'm sorry"

The way I understood it she's suspending her race not conceding - which if that's the truth she can still pop up at the convention and cause trouble - Please correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I've gotten from what I've heard.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:11 AM
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39. Bradley took four months to endorse Gore. People want her to grovel. nt
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:24 AM
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2. If she were interested in doing the right thing, would she be speaking on a Saturday morning?
The lowest-rated television time of the week. She might as well be selling Flowbees.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:30 AM
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5. Well someone mentioned to me tonight that they didn't want to do it on the RFK anniversary
So I will give her credit there, if that's the case. Considering.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:32 AM
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9. Saturday may be the best time for damage control.
It's not exactly a headline grabbing time slot.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:34 AM
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12. She NEEDED to do it LAST TUESDAY..or better yet, when she LOST..on March 4
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 01:35 AM by SoCalDem
BEFORE most of the ugliness, when Obama still might have WANTED her as a runningmate..

Remember what Grandma always said..

You never get a second chance to make a first-impression.. she keeps trying to re-make the first impressions she keeps bungling..

She needs to just step away...and go back to the senate and wait for HIM to tell her what HE needs her to do..

HE WON...SHE LOST..

Were people this "worried" about Gore's feelings..or Kerry's feelings..or Edwards' feelings..??

Playing the poor little girl with hurt feelings, is the height of sexism.. shame on hillary
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:42 AM
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20. What was wrong with last Tuesday night?
Wednesday, Thursday --- ???
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:51 AM
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23. Too many people watching
She wouldn't want to take the risk that she may actually cause some party unity.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:42 PM
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51. Smilie --
Funny . . .
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:31 AM
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8. "She might as well be selling Flowbees."
Maybe she sold one to her favorite CIA thug Larry Johnson?

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:34 AM
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14. I think Larry just glues his hair on every morning
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:30 AM
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6. 7PM on the 32nd of NEVER
I have no doubt that she will "say some words" and pretend she means them, but the dog-whistle will be squealing away saying...Hillary'12...Hillary'12..
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:34 AM
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13. You betcha.
Expect to hear "African American" at least twice in every sentence.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 03:38 AM
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34. As far as I know he's not a Muslim. . . .
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:33 AM
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10. I thought it was 11 am your time but that could be wrong. n/t
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:33 AM
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11. Thanks
I'll set the alarm. :hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:41 AM
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19. Wait -- it's noon. Link:
Clinton Prepares Concession Speech


POSTED: 7:59 am PDT June 6, 2008
UPDATED: 9:27 pm PDT June 6, 2008
Clinton's campaign said she would deliver her formal endorsement of Obama on Saturday during a noon gathering in Washington D.C.

Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton sat in comfortable chairs, sipped water and spoke for an hour about the presidential campaign to come. Just the two of them, without aides. And they parted laughing.

Aside from a fleeting backstage encounter in between their respective speeches to a pro-Israel group Wednesday, this was the first face-to-face meeting between Obama and Clinton since he clinched the Democratic presidential nomination and she moved to end her bid and endorse his candidacy.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/16525102/detail.html?rss=bay&psp=news
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:35 AM
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15. Yep, she will do the right thing...
Of course someone will find some reason to complain about what she says, how she says it or the look they think they see in her eyes. IMO, it'll be a good speech and Hillary will throw her full support behind Obama.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:37 AM
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16. I do hope you're correct!
:hi:
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:41 AM
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18. Me, too...
If she doesn't do it to my satisfaction I'll be the first to scream about it. I'm a Hillary supporter and I expect the Clintons to fully get behind Obama.

Getting him in the WH comes first.

:hi:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:24 AM
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29. Right on!
I think she'll come on like gangbusters in that speech. It will be an historic political moment. I don't think she'll disappoint... and I think we'll all end up rather incredibly proud of both Clinton and Obama. :-)
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:43 AM
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21. You are right about that
no matter WHAT positive things she says about Obama tomorrow morning... many of the Obama "supporters" on DU will FIND reasons to hate her for it. Thankfully Obama, himself, is not like those supporters.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:55 AM
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24. I'm going to start handing out points every time someone uses any form
of the word hate.

1 for a noun, 2 for a verb.

We can call them Unity Points.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:01 AM
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25. You can make jokes about it
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 02:09 AM by musicblind
but you know it is the truth.

But that is okay.

Soon we will see who the people are who support Obama and who the people who are merely dispise Hillary.

I have always remained positive about all of the candidates. I have always said that Obama was a swell individual who I would proudly support for President as well as state that I support Hillary and believe she is a good person.

I canNOT, however, say that about many supporters on DU. Seeing as Obama supporters are the majority on DU, naturally the majority of the hatered (points for me) in such posts has come from that camp. Not to say that there has not been some from Clinton's camp.

But you know that what I say is true. No matter what Hillary says tomorrow, there will be supporters on DU who will bash it. Obama himself could write her speach, and they would not like it.

As Bill Maher put it. If you HATE (yea more points) Hillary, that says nothing negative about her, but it does say something about YOU.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:03 AM
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26. OSbama?
Please tell me that is a typo.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:12 AM
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27. yes that was a typo (once out of the several times I typed it in the post) and edited to change
geesh, you guys are hyper sensitive. After reading a post where I clearly state how highly I think of Obama... you try to claim that I was smearing the guy because a typo? It wasn't even a typo that formed a word or recognizable name!

That's exactly what I mean, nothing Hillary says in her speech tomorrow will be good enough for many of the supporters on DU. They will find something wrong with it.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:16 AM
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28. Sorry, that was ignorant of me.
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 02:20 AM by Kool Kitty
I'm not usually such a bitch. It's late and I'm sick of the primaries. I'm not usually hypersensitive, and as long as we get a Democrat in the White House, I don't really give a damn who it is. (If I had read your post more carefully, I would have noticed the other typos.) And I am not one of those "supporters", I am a tired old lady supporter.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:30 AM
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30. thank you. and I understand. I should have spell checked.
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 02:30 AM by musicblind
I am glad that we are on the same team! I want, very, very badly to have a democrat in the white house this year. Obama has so much to off America that I might actually cry if he isn't given a chance to do so.


And I understand completely, this has been tiring. As a tired young man supporter... here's a hug! :hug:


Lets win this thing! :)
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:32 AM
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32. Back at ya.
:hug: Thanks for understanding.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:11 AM
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44. If you read DU carefully, you'll see that there's only a small handful
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 10:13 AM by sfexpat2000
of people who answer posts in a knee jerk fashion. This small group isn't in any one camp.

There is an even smaller group of people who feel real animosity about Clinton or Obama and who don't manage it very well. These posters probably won't last here long after Wednesday.

There is a larger group of people who have gripes that are legitimate enough to them and who are in the process of putting them to bed.

These are three completely different groups but if you read DU quickly, they all blur together.

So, yes, in the process of discussing Clinton's speech, she will be critiqued, criticized and even reviled, depending on which of these groups the poster is coming from. (She will also be admired, extolled and venerated here.) This is a discussion board.

Clinton hatred (1 pt for me) is a real phenomenon. Mr. Obama will suffer his own group of haters (1pt for me); they're already starting in on Michele just as they started in on Hillary lo those many years ago. But, not every expression of disagreement or dislike is hatred (1pt for me). When Clinton retires her campaign today, what you see here on this mostly rational board will be nothing compared to what comes out of a hate (1 pt for me) site like that pink monstrosity at hillaryis44.

Unity Pts Score: 4

:hi:

/oops
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 11:15 AM
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45. I don't really know what will be posted on Hillaryis44
I have supported Hillary and like her, but I have never really been to that site. The only political forum I have made posts on this season has been DU. Though I have made posts in the Hillary group on DU before.

I still support Hillary, as a politician, though obviously I now support Obama (and I have ALWAYS liked him and made very positive comments about John Edwards (another politician I love) after he endorsed Obama) as the democratic nominee for president. I want very very badly to have a democrat in the white house, and Obama is obviously a very good person, and has worked hard to earn this nomination. There is no doubt about that. Even if you do believe Clinton won the popular vote, there is no doubt that Obama has earned this and it has been hard fought.

Maybe I read DU too fast, I am just baffled when I see people that I do feel hate Clinton. I have seen people who disagree with her sometimes, and those who hate. Some posters, even some vocal ones like Cali don't seem to HATE Clinton. But some just can't seem to get enough. I think the truth will be seen as we realize which ones are unable to change gears and focus on McCain in the coming weeks. If, two weeks from now, or three weeks from now, we are still getting looooooong posts about how awful Hillary (who is out campaigning for Obama at that point) is then we will know how that poster really feels.

It is going to be a tough election this year, I don't believe the people who say it will be a landslide. I had thought KERRY would be a sure win... I was wrong... I have learned better. Plus, I think McCain IS a good opponent. Believe it or not, I actually respect McCain as an American even though I would never vote for him because I don't agree with his political decisions. If Bush could beat Kerry, then we need to work extra hard to make sure that Obama beats McCain to become the first African American president as well as become the first step in the right direction for a whole generation of citizens.

We need to make sure that the supreme court is SAFE, we need to protect gay rights and work towards marriage, and we NEED to solve the health care problems in our country. My best friend had to go to court because he is jobless right now and couldn't pay an emergency medical bill. These things will not be fixed with McCain in the office... and they certainly will not be fixed by hate from either side.

I just don't understand how people hate Hillary so hard. I see a kind, respectable, misunderstood, strong, woman. A woman who is a fighter to the end. She makes me smile. I don't understand why people hate Obama. Obama, himself, has been nice, charismatic, intelligent, and filled with a kind spirit. Hate is such a strong word. I have come close to hating Bush, but I think that if it really came down to it, I couldn't say before God that I hate him, just his policies. I think some people, and you may be right that they are a small but vocal percent, but I think some people on this board have taken this too PERSONALLY. It isn't personal, it's political, it is about policies. Hate policies, not people. imho.

All of these people love America. You HAVE to care about America to do this stuff. Even McCain loves America. They just have different, and sometimes very nonconstructive ways of showing their love. So, finally, I feel like people should hate policies and not so much politicians unless they did something really really really horrible. Nothing really really really horrible has happened in this campaign from either side.

Though I can tell I am preaching to the chior by typing this to you, but hopefully some others will stumble across this response as well. :)


Now lets all win this thing on Nov!

-- David
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 11:22 AM
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46. I agree, policies not personalities. Two things.
For some reason, politicians are generally sold to Americans via their images, not their positions. This gives people the mistaken impression that they have some strange, long distance personal relationship with their candidate of choice. It seems to be an American phenomenon.

Also, this year personality has been even more pronounced than usual because Clinton and Obama have only minuscule policy differences. And if you stir in the fact that each was a potential first representative (in some way) for a traditionally excluded group, it's the perfect environment for over the top emotionalism, isn't it?

November can't come soon enough!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 03:56 AM
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35. She'll do the least that she can get away with
I'm not expecting much, past actions are proof of that. :-(
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 06:11 AM
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37. I'd be happy to have her just shut up for a week.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 06:46 AM
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38. I would like to hear the word "concede" and "endorse." "Congratulations" would be nice too.
Unfortunately, I don't think we will hear the first two, maybe congratulations. :shrug:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:12 AM
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40. Yes, she will. She will concede and release her delegates.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:17 AM
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41. I concede to Sen. Obama, I endorse Sen. Obama, I expect all democrats who voted for me
to back Sen. Obama 100 percent.

Thats all I wanna hear from Hillary Clinton.

When I hear it with my own ears then I'll believe it!
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:49 AM
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42. We must email postitive encouragement to Hillary and visualise a good outcome.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:59 AM
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43. If she CONCEDES, ENDORSES, and RELEASES her delegates
I'll be thrilled. Anything less is more of the same.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:42 PM
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52. She did BETTER than the right thing. She rocked the house!
Good on her!
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