Kerry's Military Records-Where else are they posted?

Does anybody know where Kerry's military records are posted besides johnkerry.com.
I'm trying to pound some sense into some clueless freeper who claims that Kerry hasn't released his military records. He won't go anywhere near Kerry's website to look. He is implying that nothing on Kerry's site can be trusted. (As if the PDF files are all forgeries or something)
I've checked the Department Of Defence, but can't find this info. I know they were released to the mainstream press before being posted on johnkerry.com, but I'm dealing with a major dork who needs to be spoon fed.
Thanks.

...is that you could show him the records straight from the Pentagon, complete with a notary seal on it, and he still won't believe you.

The typical freeper argument is to deny the truth in anything, and call any reference source 'incorrect' or 'lies', and say that there is still no proof. As far as I know, Kerry has released all of his pertinent military records, but freepers are still demanding he release them.

Yes, this is the mindset we're up against.

I agree. I normally try to avoid ridiculous confrontations with morons, but on a website I frequent, this guy has been going on and on for weeks now about how Kerry will not release his full military records. I finally called him on it, asking for any credible news source to back up his claims. His latest response has been to call anything on johnkerry.com a less than credible information source. Media Matters is reporting that Rush & Anne Slander have been harping on about this and I suspect this is the brainwashed Freepers source.
I was hoping for records straight from the Pentagon, just to shut him up.

Then the only place to get them is from Kerry. Even Bush's records that he has released I don't think are posted on a military web site. The White House web site is equal to the Kerry web site.

At least Kerry HAS a web site that he is posting his records to. No news media or government agency is stating that those are false records. THAT is the argument I would point out to them. If he/she doesn't want to go there and read them, fine. But if they are going to state they are false records, have them PROVE their claims. Until they prove it, they are just stating an opinion and nothing factual. They have no arguement and are just pissed about it.

They got you on the defense trying to prove their claiims for them. If you proved it, they would just claim something else. Each time, they spend lots of time bashing and making false claims. Don't play the game. If they make claims, make them PROVE it and do the research. Make them defend it. If they can't, keep pointing it out.

They can state something over and over again and they think THAT makes their statements factual. In away it does. More people read it, over and over again and start to believe it. "Everyone" knows it. That was the game used on Clinton early on. The "facts" about Clinton were just rumors repeated over and over again. Nothing proven.

It's the person makeing the claim whos job it is to PROVE the claim. When "we" made the claim about Bush's military record, we had to PROVE it. It has yet to be disproven by any freeper or the Bush administration.

That was helpful! Cheers.

It's like they are asking Kerry to prove a negative, to provide evidence of something that doesn't exist.
As Carl Sagan used to like to say, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

"The typical freeper argument is to deny the truth in anything, and call any reference source 'incorrect' or 'lies', and say that there is still no proof."

After I called the Freeper's bluff and asked for a credible news source to back up his claims of Kerry's missing military records, he responded to say that the mainstream "liberal" media will not report the truth. I agreed that the mainstream media will not report the truth, but reminded him that he has made a claim about missing military records and cannot provide one shred of evidence to back up this claim.

He then responded with:
"I think it's disturbing and reckless to assume the best in a presidential candidate because you want President Bush out. Giving someone a "Free Pass" because of your politic's shows a clear lack of understanding of the seriousness of the job and the importance of the debate."

WTF is wrong with these people?!

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp

Here is a comprehensive piece about Bu$h being a Deserter.

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm

http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/docs.html

Tho not the spot reports as far as I can tell. Brinkley says the Navy didn't retain every mission report, so I'm not sure where the ones on Kerry's site come from. I'd be interested to learn. Medeiros also kept a log of every mission he went on in 1969. Wish all of that would be posted somewhere. The media should do this, not Kerry's site.

None of these facts means that Kerry is not allowing records to be released; they mean that the specific mission spot reports were not retained officially (Not just Kerry's--none of them). That's why these smearboat guys can get away with making up their memories conveniently now.

The only extensive WRITTEN record made at the time that still seems exist is Kerry's and Medeiros', as far as I can tell. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. In a court of law, I think that a consistent daily journal like Kerry's would stomp all over the 35 year old recollections of political enemies, but this is the court of public opinion.

I wish Brinkley would put all of his primary sources online. It would help.

http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/docs.html

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp

http://slate.msn.com/id/2099658/

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/042304J.shtml


None are from the Kerry website.

This is a link to a Boston Globe story about it:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/04/20/kerry_refuses_to_release_more_records/