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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 02:10 PM
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NYT: Campaign May Leave Blot on Clinton Legacy
June 9, 2008
Political Memo

Campaign May Leave Blot on Clinton Legacy
By JOHN M. BRODER and ROBIN TONER

WASHINGTON — Bill and Hillary Clinton have stirred virulent passions in their nearly two decades in the national spotlight. They have been known as many things, good and bad — brilliant policy analysts, manipulators of facts and friends, tireless campaigners, skillful political tacticians, monumentally self-absorbed baby boomers. But most of all they were known as winners.

Until now.


“The Clintons are and probably always will be a paradox,” said Leon Panetta, who served as chief of staff in the Clinton White House and who supported her candidacy. “They were very good at being able to gain power and then try to use that power to try to help ordinary Americans. The paradox is that in order to gain power they sometimes did whatever it takes to win.”

“There were moments in this campaign, he added, that made some people “question where their heart really was.” Mr. Panetta said this was especially sad given Mr. Clinton’s strong record as president on affirmative action and other racial issues.

“Look, both of them are viewed as tough fighters, both are viewed as people who will continue to confront the most difficult odds and sometimes still win. People will always admire that in them,” Mr. Panetta said. But he added that this campaign, because it seemed to take a divisive turn, “has in many ways hurt their legacy.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/us/politics/09legacy.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1212951981-pjXCj+8CpfMfY7x8iF3szA
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 02:14 PM
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1. That's just a grease stain from Penn's bucket of KFC
:eyes:
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 02:17 PM
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2. Yeah they were "fighters" but they "fought" the wrong people
I can still recall idiot bill clinton running all over the country during the 2004 presidential campaign defending the Iraq war in direct contradiction of what the democratic candidate was emphasizing. It was at that moment the clintons lost me forever. I'm of no importance to them but I believe there are thousands out there who think as I do.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 02:37 PM
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4. There's me..that's two and counting.
And, I don't believe leon panetta, either. "They fought for ordinary Americans"? Is that what "Triangualtion" was all about?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 03:34 PM
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7. They opted to surround themselves with those working against the good of the people.
Mark Penn & others:

Similarly, after Blackwater USA security guards killed 8 Iraqi civilians, the company turned to BKSH, a subsidiary of Penn's Burson-Marsteller, for strategic advice on how to minimize the negative impact of dealing with Congressional inquires.

Such conflicts only touch the surface. For the media, Burson-Marsteller and its affiliated companies could easily become a full-time beat pumping out a cascade of additional stories:

* The creation of such seemingly innocuous organizations as the National Smokers Alliance, European Women for HPV Testing, and the Coalition for Clean and Renewable Energy - organizations which are in fact the creation of corporations seeking to win lucrative support for contentious fights over smoking in public places, the promotion of highly-remunerative testing for a sexually transmitted human papilloma virus, and the expansion of nuclear power facilities.


* The laundry list of controversial Burson-Marsteller -- and its subsidiary BKSH -- clients includes US Smokeless (i.e., chewing) Tobacco, Johnnie Walker (distilled spirits), Morongo Casino Resort & Spa (gambling), Lockheed Martin (weapons), and Chevron Texaco (oil/gas) and Bristol Myers Squibb, GlaxoSmithKline, and Wyeth/Amgen (pharmaceutical).


* Penn's work for BOTOX, as described on his firm's website, sharply contradict Clinton's feminist commitments and ironically clash with her particularly strong support among older women:



"Burson-Marsteller worked to redefine the BOTOX image to speak to its benefits, drive a relationship with potential end users, minimize safety concerns and reflect its flexibility. Among the critical issues that needed to be addressed were consumers' perceptions regarding the side effects and toxicity of BOTOX Cosmetic....A multimedia initiative targeted key print, broadcast and online media outlets in top U.S. markets, and physician "key opinion leaders" conveyed scientific messages that provided objective, independent thought. The campaign resulted in more than 743 million positive media impressions for the BOTOX brand. Among prescription products, these results are second only to the benchmark launch of Viagra. In the first nine months of 2002, sales increased $90.3 million over the same period in the previous year. Media highlights include coverage in The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, USA Today, Newsweek (cover story), Time, Associated Press, Reuters, Dow Jones, Bloomberg and UPI. The BOTOX brand was also featured in stories on "Good Morning America," "Today Show," "CBS Early Show," ABC, CBS, FOX CNBC, CNN, CNNfn, Fox News Channel and MSNBC.

* An equally controversial list of foreign clients including the Pakistan People's Party, Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, Colombia, Armenia, and Greece.


From the point of view of any news organization, Mark Penn, who has evolved from a relatively obscure Bill Clinton pollster into the helmsman of the Hillary Clinton campaign, is a walking, talking target -- an over-the-top example of the seductions of Washington, a lethal combination of political opportunism and corporate profiteering.

At this late stage of the campaign, it should come as little surprise that his top position in Hillary Clinton's enterprise would be used to question her campaign's judgment. A succinct portrait of Penn's liabilities was published as early as a year ago by the Washington Post in this relationship map:



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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/mark-penn-ties-drag-clint_n_89243.html

Isn't it Time for Mark Penn to Leave Burson-Marsteller?
Posted November 12, 2007 | 11:18 AM (EST)


My colleague at The Nation, Ari Berman, has done more than any journalist to shine some light on how pollster-strategist Mark Penn, head honcho at PR giant Burson-Marsteller, and perhaps the most important figure in Hillary Clinton's campaign, poses a real dilemma for the candidate. Penn heads a firm that has represented everyone from union busters to big tobacco, and more recently Blackwater. (According to a Marsteller spokesperson, it was a subsidiary, BKSH & Associates, run by GOP operative Charlie Black, which helped Erik Prince prepare for congressional hearings after his employees killed civilians in Iraq).It would seem difficult to find a more controversial client than Blackwater but Penn's firm has just been retained by Spin Master.

Who is Spin Master? It turns out that Spin Master distributes Aqua Dots, a toy that was recalled last week because it contains a glue ingredient that when ingested is broken down by the body to make GHB, the "date rape" drug, which can cause unconsciousness and even death. (The Consumer Product Safety Commission says the number of children sickened by Aqua Dots has risen from two to nine in the past week.)

Penn has repeatedly stated that he has no direct contact with controversial clients like Blackwater or unionbusters. But what about the good old-fashioned American principles of responsibility and accountability -- principles which his candidate likes to invoke on the campaign trail? As Ari Berman has pointed out, the dilemma for Clinton is that Penn's firm represents many of the interests whose influence she has vowed to curtail. But as kids get sick from poisonous toys, how can Clinton keep in her corner, as her chief strategist, a man who has even limited involvement with a firm like Burson-Marsteller? Isn't it time that Clinton ask Penn to choose: my campaign to make this a safer country or a PR firm which has too many clients undermining that agenda?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katrina-vanden-heuvel/isnt-it-time-for-mark-pe_b_72206.html


After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: January 31, 2008
Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

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"Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent."

"Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy."

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Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

LINK:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 03:39 PM
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9. Yes that was a turning point for me
too. Very disappointing. Neither Bill nor Hillary chose to lead on Iraq, the biggest issue of their time.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 02:32 PM
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3. Leon Panetta is a friend of the Clintons
Edited on Sun Jun-08-08 02:37 PM by BeyondGeography
his words carry a lot of weight.

Sean Wilentz, on the other hand, couldn't be more wrong, IMO. Bill is the Clinton who sustained lasting damage in this campaign much moreso than Hillary. As the saying goes, it wasn't just what he said, it was the way he said it. He had no self-control whatsoever, and his intemperance combined with his total disregard for the facts made people like me at least wonder why they spent so many years standing up for him when he was president.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 03:29 PM
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5. Thus, the Clintons are relegated to the trash heap.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 03:33 PM
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6. Were The Kennedys Relegated To The Trash Heap When Ted Kennedy Lost To Jimmy Carter
Edited on Sun Jun-08-08 03:37 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Or Kathleen Kennedy Townsend lost her race for Maryland governor to a clown like Bob Ehrlich...

Bill Clinton is still only one of three Democtats in the entire twentieth century to serve two full terms as president...
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 03:38 PM
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8. That's not at all what this article conveys--dimished legacy is one thing, trash heap, quite another
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 03:41 PM
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10. It Happens
You can't win em all... The Clintons aren't idiots...I'm sure they realized that campaigns end in candidates getting "dirtied up"...
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 03:52 PM
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11. I should have qualified my statement--the media have
relegated them to the trash heap because that is what the media do.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 06:28 PM
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13. Well, that's true
I actually think that in time, when tempers have cooled, this campaign will end up as little more than a footnote to teh Clinton legacy.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 04:43 PM
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12. Their legacy is fine (eom)
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