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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:09 PM
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Okay, debunk the Swift Vets
The way to do it is to repeat the truth, over and over and over and over. I've read alot of what's been said here at DU. Some of you didn't know what Kerry is really made of, what he really did in Vietnam. Well there's alot of other people out there that don't either. So if you want to do something about these Swift Vet lies, that's the way to do it. Don't respond to the posts on other boards about these liars, start your own posts with the truth.

Here's a whole selection of articles to choose from:
http://kerrylibrary.forumflash.com/index.php?showtopic=7

Warning, get a box of tissues. Heavy duty stuff.

And stuff like this:

"But two of Kerry's crewmates — Wasser and Zaladonis — both told The Times the boat was in the vicinity of the Cambodian border and even fought an engagement with a Viet Cong sampan on Christmas Eve day.

"We patrolled a river on the border," Zaladonis said last week. "Unless I'm out of my mind or mistaken, that river was part of the border."

There are no after-action reports that pinpoint where Kerry's boat was in late December 1968. But a file from Navy archives in Washington obtained by The Times provides support for both sides.

An entry in a monthly summary of engagements for December 1968 reports that on Christmas Eve, "PCF-44 fired on junk on beach. Results: 1 sampan destroyed."

The entry was made by then-Capt. Roy Hoffmann, the overall commander of Swift boats and now one of Kerry's most vocal critics. There is no written location for the engagement, but it contains a coordinate used by the military to plot locations. The coordinate points to an area about 40 to 50 miles south of the Cambodian border, near an island called Sa Dec.

The entry also notes that the incident took place about 7 a.m., which would have given Kerry's boat another 12 hours to make it to the Cambodian border by nightfall. At a cruising speed of 23 knots, the boat could have covered the distance in about two hours."


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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:11 PM
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1. Oh please
just drop this shit. It doesn't matter and the
longer you make it matter, it stays at the top
of message boards.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:13 PM
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3. No, this is good.
I want to hear this. Let's debunk 'em. Let's not act like a bunch of freepers and actually look at some facts.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:34 PM
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7. Exactly my point
For the people who are in a tizz over this, they should post the truth, post some of these stories of the "Days of Hell". Post about him being on the Gridley. It's better than having people constantly defending lies. Get out in front of it with the truth, Kerry served in a war zone. Nuff said.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:12 PM
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2. With all due respect, it's not going to be "debunked" online
Edited on Wed Aug-18-04 10:13 PM by Democat
It's getting played on TV all the time.

The only way to debunk it is in the same venues that it's being played.

Still no tough full media response from Kerry and the money it pouring into the Swift Boat Liars bank account for the next round of ads.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:31 PM
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6. Online, offline
Write letters to newspapers, talk to people, give articles out, email articles. This story can be debunked by us, person to person. It's being spread in newspapers, stop it in the newspapers. Cablenews isn't everything, it just isn't.

Besides, the point is to stop defending and whining and griping. DO something or shut the hell up about it. Because whining about a rumor is as bad as being a rumormonger yourself.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:22 PM
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4. just say AWOL
tell em since they're in the mood to prove things, prove Bush showed up in Alabama...
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:24 PM
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5. Okay, check out tomorrow's Washington Post
At the link below. But first...

If someone walks into a bar and says, "the aliens are coming", then its not up to me to prove it or disprove it. The onus is on the person making the claim.

But anyways...check it out...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html

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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:37 PM
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8. This will really sink the Smearboats
Thurlow now has to say he renounces his own Bronze Star as worthless. HA HA HA HA.

"It's like a Hollywood presentation here, which wasn't the case," Thurlow said last night after being read the full text of his Bronze Star citation. "My personal feeling was always that I got the award for coming to the rescue of the boat that was mined. This casts doubt on anybody's awards. It is sickening and disgusting."

Note that he's claiming that he got his bronze for coming to the "rescue" of the boat that was mined. Well, what was so brave about THAT, if there was no cross-fire at the time? What's so special about helping out wounded guys and towing their boat IF NO ONE IS FIRING AT YOU? Why would that ever have deserved a special commendation for bravery?
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 11:14 PM
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9. This site has done a lot of the work
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 01:10 AM
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10. kick
for something we can ALL do on our own.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 01:22 AM
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11. I'm going to buy Tour of Duty tomorrow
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