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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 04:58 PM
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KO or KC! Who do you trust to deliver the news? ACCURATELY!
Keith Olbermann hands down. He's accurate. Katie Couric was a "run up to the war" cheerleader. She had all of that power and asked no tough questions. She actually said, JAGS you rock as if going to war was like attending a football team. Now she's running her short up the flag pole on whether Clinton's campaign was done in by sexism. Yes, there was sexism at play thought the MEDIA of which you are a part of. Katie, again... why didn't you open your mouth WIDER when you heard it going on. Like the Iraq war, your questions about how we got into it are too late. You aren't a very credible journalist by any stretch of the imagination.
Olbermann was correct to call you the worst person in the world for ripping on one of your peers because you should get that fucking log out of your own eye. You are Jinny come lately every sing time out.

Keith has been on the right side of the issues, front and center every time out. He questioned the rationale for war. He talked of the sexism in the campaign. And the racism. The lies. The stupidity. Where the hell was Katie? Crickets. Women should not be questioning Olbermann for taking Couric to task. They should take a look at Couric's actions during the run up to the war and during the primaries because in both instances she was invisible.

I trust KO to knock KC out of the box anywhere, anytime.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:58 PM
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1. KO is a progressive. So his news has a partisan slant to it.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing. The partisan press was the birth of the American newspaper. From Ben Franklin to the penny press. But you have to take KO's coverage with a big grain of salt because you know where it comes from. Same with other liberal or conservative reporters. Such as O'Reilly, Maher, Scarborough, Tucker, Stewart. etc.

In a lot of ways, citizen journalism is the way to go rather than top down journalism is the way to go.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:48 PM
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8. Except none of those people, including Olbermann are reporters or journalists
They're ALL commentators. The problem is that we have few, if any, journalists or reporters, and that includes Couric.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 09:42 PM
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18. You make a VERY good point.
I don't really know much else to add except that I agree with you.

The age of our Edward Row Murrows are gone. :( And in a lot of ways that is sad. We need some of those people who can put an authoritative stamp and declare as Walter Cronkite did: "that's the way it is..."


But now we have a form of journalism that is unique thanks to the internet. We have citizen journalism... where everyone has a voice. People can post blogs and then everyone can post comments and respond. But we still don't have many faces left who can give a name tag of authority to the stories of today.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:27 AM
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23. Well, sadly, much of the blogosphere is just commentary, as well
There's very little real reporting or journalism going on, and woefully little investigative journalism. Big investigative pieces are few and far between due to the associated cost, and news organizations just aren't budgeting for such unprofitable use of their resources. (And they just can't seem to figure out why people are turning away from newspapers and MSM news shows as their main sources of information.)
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 04:18 PM
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29. Again, you made another good point.
We discussed what you were saying in my News Analysis class. News organizations used to be loss leaders. The networks KNEW they would lose money and accepted that because they felt that news was an important profession and service. But later on Professionalism vs Commercialism began to rear its ugly head and sadly commercialism as won. A lot of the stories are phoned in and copied from associated press. So often you watch CNN and the reporter doesn't have anymore of a clue of what has happened than you do. I remember watching a building in DC burn and the reporter kept guessing what they "thought" caused the fire. They were wrong in the end, but even as they were guessing they'd say. "Well my guess is..." and I was baffled. Since when did news coverage start with the line "Well my guess is..." or end with the line "In my humble opinion..." verses "That's the way it is..." Big difference of change.

Also, I think it is hard for anyone to be completely objective as they report the news. They SHOULD be in an ideal world, but everyone has a bias when they come to the table. Even if they don't want to admit it. We are raised by parents who instill them into us without even knowing it, and then we tend to use those ideas as though they were glasses through which we view the world.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:35 PM
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19. And Katie Couric is every bit as slanted
Her slant is not quite as obvious at first glance, but if you seriously observe you will see that Couric has a strong slant in her reporting. You won't hear Katie Couric seriously question the people in power, her slant is a pro-establisment slant.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:23 AM
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22. Exactly. All hail the status quo.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:19 PM
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2. Well said, except Katie actually said "Navy SEALS rock," not JAGs.
Methinks Katie is tuning up to blame her own failure at helming CBS News on too much sexism. Uh, no, Katie, the reason you failed is because people don't want "perky and cute" on the evening news.

Other women could have made a success of it. You could not.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:20 PM
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3. KO, you can't trust KC to stand up to government abuses
And her interviews are beyond laughable
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:24 PM
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4. When Katie Couric is replaced next year, she'll probably blame it on sexism, too.
Even though she is one of the worst journalists I've ever seen.
Her first interviews at CBS were with right-wingers like Rush Limpballs.

I think she killed any chance she ever had by doing that.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:50 PM
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10. (hint: she was never a journalist... just a personality....)
... and people want to trust the information they're getting as news, and credibility has to be earned.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:34 PM
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5. But KC had a colonoscopy on TV
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:39 PM
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6. Couric is finished
After New Year, it's back to 6 AM shopping tips.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:39 PM
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7. Katie's newscast tonight is awarded 8.5 "Courics."
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:49 PM
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9. SC and JS.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:51 PM
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11. What's with the Keith vs Katie thread? Is there a new media battle going on? n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:55 PM
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12. Katie "navy seals rock" Couric hypocritically attack Lee Cowan over not being objective...
over the comment "sometimes it's hard to be objective."

Olbermann criticized Couric for her semi-literate attack on Cowan. Now all the O'Reilly watching dittoheads are attacking Olbermann over it.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:30 AM
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24. oh, OK. I was wondering if Katie had launched an offensive from her CBS News chair. n/t
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:29 PM
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13. KC is an oppurtunistic shill. KO is the best person in the media by far.
we are extremely lucky KO is doing countdown and the ratings have swelled in approval.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:34 PM
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14. Olbermann has a raging bias he doesn't pretend to hide.
Couric...?
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:41 PM
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15. Neither of them.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:39 PM
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16. I'm with you. nt
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 09:03 PM
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17. NEITHER
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 09:05 PM by JoFerret
For god's sake do not rely on either for accurate news.

What ON EARTH are you thinking?

TURN OFF THE TV.
Or if you must watch - then a combo of Lehrer, Bill Moyers, The Daily Show and Colbert will give you the TV version of the news quite well.



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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:10 AM
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21. Ditto. nt
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:05 AM
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20. There is no such thing as unbiased. So, who will give you a better version of the subjective
truth? Who strives to give you the objective truth? Olbermann by a mile. Sure you may not like all of it but he sites the facts. Couric gave up her day job. Some of you may not like either one but facts no matter how they're presented are still facts.

Were we lied into this war? Yes. Who will most likely put it out there? Olbermann.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:32 AM
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25. If your motive is to characterize KO
then you are in the wrong forum, my guess is you are after KO because he called out
Katie Couric for her idiotic questions and comments that she passes for journalism.

Bottomline is, Katie Couric is no Journalist, she is an entertainer and thats that
making the comparison IMO is a disservice to KO....capesh!
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:05 AM
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27. to the contrary... my post suggests that KO is THE BEST journalist in media...
People have made the claim that KO is biased and I say to that... so what! All news is biased even as they strive to be objective. And yes, KC is not a journalist and she deserved being called out by Keith Olbermann.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:33 PM
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30. KO has KOed himself
imo
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:33 AM
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26. Couric's legs are WAAAAY better than Olbermann's though.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:06 AM
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28. ugly is as ugly does... I don't see beauty when someone who is championing a war
Edited on Fri Jun-13-08 11:06 AM by wowimthere
based on lies while lives are being lost.
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