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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:36 AM
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Kinda don't care about Russert
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 11:15 AM by ResetButton
Sorry... :shrug: It was a shock, and I'm quite sad for his family, but his lionization is lost on me. He certainly had that affable, "working class guy you'd like to have a beer with" thing, but he was just another enabler - MSM talking head. He seemed fair, but I remember MTP was little more than a PA system for the Bush administration in the early days of the Iraq War. Every week it was the Dick, Condi, and Rummy Show. They played him like a trumpet while GE conducted the band. Call me insensitive if you wish, but I don't see this guy as being all that important to liberals, or any more special than you or I.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:39 AM
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1. i agree...n/t
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:41 AM
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2. he had a constant, mean mouth at Bill Clinton during the troubles
nt
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:43 AM
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6. Has anyone seen that "Clinton's Cock" moving gif? Hilarious!
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:52 AM
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12. have you seen Tim's moving mouth at Bartcop?


nt
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:57 AM
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15. You mean this clown picture?


Mean, but deserved. And funny.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:41 AM
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3. the MSM is corporate theater and pseudo news... all propoganda, all the time
It doesn't make every perpetrator an "evil doer," but them's the facts

it's a problem for greater minds than mine

apparently everybody loved the guy... I won't take that away from them
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:42 AM
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4. Even if he was the second coming of Bill Moyers... there IS other news going on
I'm sorry they lost their friend. It was a shock. But you'd think the best way to honor him would be to keep on doing their jobs. There's floods, there's a recession, there's at least six important wars going on around the world... Maybe they could let us know about some of that stuff too.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:50 AM
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10. yes, yesterday the media was all Tim while Cedar Rapids drowned


actually, what the media did yesterday was strange. very strange.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:42 AM
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5. I think the Tim Russert threads should be moved to GD
I was shocked at his death but would like this forum to get back
to what it was intended for. There are plenty of Tim Russert threads
in GD.
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:44 AM
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7. Yeah the run up to the war as far as I'm concern was his greatest
test, and he not only failed miserably but he was also an enabler by allowing the war mongers to use his show as a platform for their propaganda.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:46 AM
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8. This whole lionization of Russert is for the journalist/broadcaster/news
world. They've lost one of their own, they have the access to the cameras and whatever else they want, and they no longer have a boss. I'm sorry he's gone but as they say, the show must go on...

I will say though, if you have to die and you are a Catholic, coming home from Rome from a vacation with your beloved wife and son, who has just graduated from college, and you have had an audience at the Vatican, you've been a devoted father and son and you are beloved by your colleagues...Well,it doesn't get much better. RIP Tim.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:46 AM
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9. MSNBC uses KO to attract Dems. Russert was just another corporate media mouthpiece.
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 10:48 AM by McCamy Taylor
KO is the exception not the rule at the General Electric News Network. They use him to get people like those at DU to tune in so that the Matthews and Scarboroughs can get the GE propaganda across to Democrats.

It is always sad when a human being dies, but that does not suddenly change the quality of that human being's work. Every writer does not become William Faulkner upon his demise.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:51 AM
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11. I wonder if Russert was the one who hired KO
or had anything to do with giving him his show. If so that would be a mark in his favor.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:52 AM
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13. I disagree. Russert was a straight up journalist. Someone who did his best
to bring the best political coverage possible. He'll be missed.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 11:12 AM
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19. Yes, he will be missed.
By people who's critical faculties are faulty.

He was a corporate shill for the military-industrial complex. An affable fellow who was one of the faces for the people who want to enslave you and take your rights away, in the name of making profits by killing people.

He may have asked some good questions of his subjects, on occasion, but he represented an agenda that is not healthy for you, me or the planet. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer because of people like Tim Russert. Dick Cheney loved the guy and used him to "catapult the propaganda" to get us into the war in Iraq. He will be missed, alright!

My condolences to his family...
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:57 AM
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14. Russert set himself apart from the rest. He was fair, honest, & a gentleman. n/t
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:57 AM
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16. Exactly. Dude was not Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity or anything like that.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:34 PM
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24. That's damning with faint praise
And while I despise both O'Reilly and Hannity they don't pretend to be journalists. Russert did while allowing the administration to use his show as another arm for propaganda in the run up to the Iraq war (now occupation)

Allowing two sides to coexist as though they were equal when one side is clearly wrong on the facts is the opposite of good journalism.

If what Russert did is what's passing for journalism this country is in deep deep doo-doo.

Regards
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:58 AM
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17. It is tragic and sad about Russert--but cable news went overboard...
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 11:17 AM by tokenlib
The hours and hours of coverage were overkill. I could see hour long specials because he was a journalistic institution. But hours and hours of coveraqe make me wonder about the priorities in this county. Our soldiers die all the time in Iraq--and some days it seems like a footnote.

I can't say I don't care about Russert passing on--he was a fixture for political junkies like many of us. But honestly they went overboard. Though I do suppose for everyone at NBC it was part of the group grieving process--it was strange for it to be on nationwide display for hours.

Then again I am being a bit unfair..doing what they did yesterday was perhaps the only way they could stay on the job working through their grief. So I guess I'm changing my view after a bit of reflection. They are doing what they needed to do--especially on MSNBC..
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 11:02 AM
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18. What we witnessed was a major news division going through
the grieving process for one of their own on live television.

It was strange, as I've never seen that before, but apparently they needed to do that.

I'll give them this weekend and then then they need to carry on.

I think that's fair.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 11:20 AM
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20. I just finished watching a long series of MTP excerpts. Russert was tough as nails.
I watched that show almost every Sunday morning for more years than I can count. Anybody who flippantly and ignorantly claims Russert was biased or was a corporate tool is either clueless about good journalism, or simply wasn't paying attention.

He was one hell of an interviewer, rightly feared by politicians on both sides of the aisle.

If he pissed you off--as he did many of us on many occasions--that's generally a sign that he did his job well. And I say this as a former working journalist who pissed off my share of people in years past.
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 11:21 AM
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21. "Integrity is for paupers!"
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 11:22 AM by Ino
I'm scratching my head at the canonization of this guy on DU, the sorrow over his demise. He was a sell-out and a tool. I'm not overjoyed that he died, but I haven't forgotten why I didn't like him.

http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/media/020109_Russert.htm

“You know, Tim, you used to be such a rabid Democrat when you worked for Pat Moynihan,” said the executive. “But now that you’ve gotten a glimpse of who’s handing out the money in this business, you’ve become quite the Jaycee. Were you wrong about everything you used to believe so strongly?”

“I still believe,” Russert said, leaning across the table. “I believe in everything I ever did. But I also know that I never would have become moderator on Meet The Press if my employers were uncomfortable with me. And, given the amount of money at stake, millions of dollars, I don’t blame them. This is business.”

The executive agreed. “But are you concerned about losing yourself? You know, selling out?”

Russert pounded the table. “Integrity is for paupers!”
(snip)
The spectacular rewards of manipulating the public for GE were realized in 2001, when Russert received a new contract worth tens of millions of dollars. The wages of sin have been huge, while the cost has been the negligible loss of whatever integrity he might have once possessed. He is not an objective journalist; he is a partisan deceiver. He exaggerates Democratic wrongdoing, going to the extreme of inventing criminal behavior. Conversely, he has been unrelentingly oblivious to all Republican scandals; his infinite fascination with the missing intern in the case of Democrat Gary Condit was accompanied by total disinterest in the dead intern who was found on the office floor of Republican Joe Scarbrough. Russert spent years obsessing about an ill fated land deal called Whitewater that involved a couple of hundred thousand dollars, but he remains indifferent to the multi-trillion dollar taxpayer funded kickbacks that George W. Bush has been ladling out to his campaign contributors.


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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 11:37 AM
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22. Yep n/t
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:14 PM
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23. Thanks for posting this. It sums up Russert for what he truly was.
A GOP shill of the first magnitude.

Perhaps THE greatest GOP shill of all time.

May the man rest in peace. May his lies burn in hell.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:39 PM
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25. A nice guy who went for the gold, a small town guy who couldn't get his mind off Bubba's cock
He had a strong work ethic and all the "boys in the club" liked him. He seemed like a likeable guy. But in the end, he didn't really do much with the power he had to improve the lives of the people in the country that he loved.

Tim Russert made running with the herd seem loveable. For that, we will miss him.
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