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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:36 PM
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Ohio should not be written off.
Some people keep saying that we should write off Ohio, and that there are blue-er pastures in other states.

Keep in mind that when we lost Ohio in 2004, it was after the Republican secretary of state Ken Blackwell did everything he could to disenfranchise Afriacan Americans (such as sending fewer machines to urban areas resulting in 12 hour lines, culling the rolls of people in Democratic areas who haven't voted in the last 2 cycles, discounting provisional ballots if they were made in the wrong area of the building, ignoring voter registration applications that were not made on cardstock, and allowing Warren county to count votes behind closed doors). More here: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

This year, we have a Democratic secretary of state, who is doing everything she can to ensure a fair election.

If we only lost Ohio by about 100k votes in 2004, when Ken Blackwell did as much as he did to prevent Kerry from winning, imagine what we can do after 8 years of Bush, with a fair referee. Ohio is ripe for flipping. I'm not sure why so many people here think Ohio is a lost cause, just because it went for Bush for the last two cycles (especially when states like VA haven't gone D for 4 decades).
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:38 PM
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1. Maybe Obama should name Woody Hayes as the VP candidate?
:rofl:

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:39 PM
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2. As People Really Writing Off Ohio?
Whatever the new battleground states, OH, PA, and FL are still the core swing states and are still close. FL is more difficult, but OH is doable.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:39 PM
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3. Its Not Being Written Off
Obama's camp is just saying that we might as well concede the election if we can't win Ohio.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 03:01 PM
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13. Did you say that backwards?

Obama's camp is just saying we do not need to win Ohio. They are not saying we will not win Ohio.


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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 03:10 PM
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15. Oops, you're right. Typo.
nm
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Zenmaster Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:40 PM
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4. Ohio isn't written off. So don't worry about it.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:45 PM
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5. Exactly, I just posted similar in another thread. We have 200 Obama trainees going through their
fellowship program here now so my guess is they are not writing off Ohio.

We "lost" by 118,000 votes but if you read Conyers & the House Judiciary Staff's "Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio" you'll understand the lengths the GOP had to go to prevent Dem voters from casting ballots. Here is the summary:

Preserving Democracy:
What Went Wrong in Ohio
Status Report of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff

Wednesday 05 January 2005

Executive Summary



First, in the run up to election day, the following actions by Mr. Blackwell, the Republican Party and election officials disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of Ohio citizens, predominantly minority and Democratic voters:

The misallocation of voting machines led to unprecedented long lines that disenfranchised scores, if not hundreds of thousands, of predominantly minority and Democratic voters. This was illustrated by the fact that the Washington Post reported that in Franklin County, "27 of the 30 wards with the most machines per registered voter showed majorities for Bush. At the other end of the spectrum, six of the seven wards with the fewest machines delivered large margins for Kerry." (See Powell and Slevin, supra). Among other things, the conscious failure to provide sufficient voting machinery violates the Ohio Revised Code which requires the Boards of Elections to "provide adequate facilities at each polling place for conducting the election."

Mr. Blackwell's decision to restrict provisional ballots resulted in the disenfranchisement of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of voters, again predominantly minority and Democratic voters. Mr. Blackwell's decision departed from past Ohio law on provisional ballots, and there is no evidence that a broader construction would have led to any significant disruption at the polling places, and did not do so in other states.

Mr. Blackwell's widely reviled decision to reject voter registration applications based on paper weight may have resulted in thousands of new voters not being registered in time for the 2004 election.

The Ohio Republican Party's decision to engage in preelection "caging" tactics, selectively targeting 35,000 predominantly minority voters for intimidation had a negative impact on voter turnout. The Third Circuit found these activities to be illegal and in direct violation of consent decrees barring the Republican Party from targeting minority voters for poll challenges.

The Ohio Republican Party's decision to utilize thousands of partisan challengers concentrated in minority and Democratic areas likely disenfranchised tens of thousands of legal voters, who were not only intimidated, but became discouraged by the long lines. Shockingly, these disruptions were publicly predicted and acknowledged by Republican officials: Mark Weaver, a lawyer for the Ohio Republican Party, admitted the challenges "can't help but create chaos, longer lines and frustration."

Mr. Blackwell's decision to prevent voters who requested absentee ballots but did not receive them on a timely basis from being able to receive provisional ballots 6 likely disenfranchised thousands, if not tens of thousands, of voters, particularly seniors. A federal court found Mr. Blackwell's order to be illegal and in violation of HAVA.

Second, on election day, there were numerous unexplained anomalies and irregularities involving hundreds of thousands of votes that have yet to be accounted for:

There were widespread instances of intimidation and misinformation in violation of the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act of 1968, Equal Protection, Due Process and the Ohio right to vote. Mr. Blackwell's apparent failure to institute a single investigation into these many serious allegations represents a violation of his statutory duty under Ohio law to investigate election irregularities.

We learned of improper purging and other registration errors by election officials that likely disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters statewide. The Greater Cleveland Voter Registration Coalition projects that in Cuyahoga County alone over 10,000 Ohio citizens lost their right to vote as a result of official registration errors.

There were 93,000 spoiled ballots where no vote was cast for president, the vast majority of which have yet to be inspected. The problem was particularly acute in two precincts in Montgomery County which had an undervote rate of over 25% each - accounting for nearly 6,000 voters who stood in line to vote, but purportedly declined to vote for president.

There were numerous, significant unexplained irregularities in other counties throughout the state: (i) in Mahoning county at least 25 electronic machines transferred an unknown number of Kerry votes to the Bush column; (ii) Warren County locked out public observers from vote counting citing an FBI warning about a potential terrorist threat, yet the FBI states that it issued no such warning; (iii) the voting records of Perry county show significantly more votes than voters in some precincts, significantly less ballots than voters in other precincts, and voters casting more than one ballot; (iv) in Butler county a down ballot and underfunded Democratic State Supreme Court candidate implausibly received more votes than the best funded Democratic Presidential candidate in history; (v) in Cuyahoga county, poll worker error may have led to little known thirdparty candidates receiving twenty times more votes than such candidates had ever received in otherwise reliably Democratic leaning areas; (vi) in Miami county, voter turnout was an improbable and highly suspect 98.55 percent, and after 100 percent of the precincts were reported, an additional 19,000 extra votes were recorded for President Bush.

Third, in the post-election period we learned of numerous irregularities in tallying provisional ballots and conducting and completing the recount that disenfanchised thousands of voters and call the entire recount procedure into question (as of this date the recount is still not complete):

Mr. Blackwell's failure to articulate clear and consistent standards for the counting of provisional ballots resulted in the loss of thousands of predominantly minority votes. In Cuyahoga County alone, the lack of guidance and the ultimate narrow and arbitrary review standards significantly contributed to the fact that 8,099 out of 24,472 provisional ballots were ruled invalid, the highest proportion in the state.

Mr. Blackwell's failure to issue specific standards for the recount contributed to a lack of uniformity in violation of both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clauses. We found innumerable irregularities in the recount in violation of Ohio law, including (i) counties which did not randomly select the precinct samples; (ii) counties which did not conduct a full hand court after the 3% hand and machine counts did not match; (iii) counties which allowed for irregular marking of ballots and failed to secure and store ballots and machinery; and (iv) counties which prevented witnesses for candidates from observing the various aspects of the recount.

The voting computer company Triad has essentially admitted that it engaged in a course of behavior during the recount in numerous counties to provide "cheat sheets" to those counting the ballots. The cheat sheets informed election officials how many votes they should find for each candidate, and how many over and under votes they should calculate to match the machine count. In that way, they could avoid doing a full county-wide hand recount mandated by state law.

-SNIP
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010605Y.shtml
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:47 PM
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6. NO STATE SHOULD BE WRITTEN OFF!!
I don't like the fact that the Obama campaign is making statements like this. No state should be written off. It's a poor campaign strategy.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 03:02 PM
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14. Obama's campaign did not say what you think they said.

We will win this election even if we lose Ohio is not the same as are not going to even try to win in Ohio.

And as a previous poster noted, they just started putting 100+ Ohio volunteers through training. So obviously they are not.


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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:40 PM
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16. Well, that's good news. I'm glad to hear that...
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:48 PM
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7. We will win Ohio (again).
This time, it'll stick.

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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:49 PM
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8. Sherrod Brown for VP?
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:27 PM
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9. We aren't giving up here in Ohio.
Interesting conversation is happening here. We wear our Obama T-shirts and buttons everywhere and you would be amazed at the discussion. NGU
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:35 PM
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10. It's because they voted for Hillary over Obama
Voting so willingly for the one who was clearly not going to be the nominee left people thinking they are probably a lost cause.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:43 PM
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11. Who in the world thinks Obama is writing off Ohio?
He's going after a bunch of true Red states just because he can, he's not ignoring a real battleground he's polling WELL in. In what bizarro world would the Obama campaign write off a state in which they were TIED in the last state poll? (Actually UP 1, but MoE...)
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:44 PM
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12. "Some people"?
Obama's running a 50-state strategy that includes Ohio instead of placing all of our hopes on it.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:41 PM
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17. But John Sidney McCain III says Obama is an elitist. /nt
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:44 PM
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18. Why write off a state that Obama is polling ahead in?
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:50 PM
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19. I would never write off Ohio, it was decided by less than 2% in 2000, & 2004
Ken Blackwell probably rigged OH. in 04 for Bush, so you can make good agrument that Kerry won OH last election....

Obama can definitely win OH...Now Florida might be a longer shot, but OH. is absolutely winnable in my opinion, especially if Sherrod Brown is on the ticket...

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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:54 PM
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20. Nobody is writing off Ohio
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:58 PM
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21. I'm unaware of anyone writing off Ohio.
:shrug:
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:05 PM
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22. I don't think anyone is writing off Ohio...
Obama is actually running a campaign in all 50 states, he is not writing off any of them but he is especially not going to write off a large swing state which has been trending Democratic recently. I think you will see him spending a good amount of time in Ohio over the coming months.
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