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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 12:12 PM
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Time: How Green is John McCain?
How Green Is John McCain?

Monday, May. 12, 2008
By BRYAN WALSH

Perspective is everything in politics, and after nearly eight years of President George W. Bush's disastrous environmental policy, Attila the Hun would have looked green by comparison. Certainly Senator John McCain falls into that latter category. The presumptive Republican nominee was an advocate for taking action on global warming back when President Bush was still calling for more research into the problem. McCain hasn't been shy about touting his green credentials on the campaign trail — especially now that he has the Republican nomination sewn up and needs to appeal to independents worried about global warming. At the same time, McCain has been wobbly on environmental issues as a legislator — his lifetime score from the League of Conservation Voters is 24%, while Democratic Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton both score 86%. So, when the McCain campaign announced that he would spend much of this week addressing the environment, starting with a speech on climate change Monday afternoon in Portland, Ore., it was worth asking whether this pitch is mostly about politics — or whether McCain is really serious about taking on climate change.

Try a little of both. McCain's speech — where he soberly warned of the catastrophic consequences of climate change and vowed that he would not "shirk the mantle of leadership that the United States bears" — was most remarkable for what it said about the changing politics of global warming. It is difficult to imagine a Republican candidate for President calling for a mandatory cap-and-trade system that would reduce U.S. carbon emissions to 60% below 1990 levels by 2025, as McCain does, or insisting on engagement with rising developing countries like China and India. It's sign that global warming has reached the mainstream, that it will be increasingly difficult to find politicians who claim it's simply a hoax, as Republican Senator James Inhofe once said, or who ignore it, as President Bush has largely done. But when it comes to the nitty-gritty of McCain's policy recommendations on climate change, he doesn't quite make it. McCain might get an A for effort, and his "straight talk on climate change" might win him some independent support — but both Democratic candidates are pushing for tougher action than McCain is. He's greener than Bush, but that doesn't make him the green candidate.

Like Obama and Clinton, McCain is calling for a mandatory cap-and-trade program that would gradually tighten limits on national carbon emissions, with the goal of reducing emissions to 60% below 1990 levels by 2050. (A number of similar bills have already been introduced to Congress, including one by McCain himself and another, by Senator Joseph Lieberman and John Warner, that has made it past the Senate's environment committee.) Like Obama and Clinton, and increasingly most mainstream environmentalists, McCain wants to let the private market do the work of cutting emissions, by effectively putting a price on carbon dioxide and thus incentivizing industry to find a way to use less of it. "What better way to correct past errors than to turn the creative energies of the free market in the other direction?" McCain said Tuesday. "In all its power, the profit motive will suddenly begin to shift and point the other way toward cleaner fuels, wiser ways and a healthier planet."

No argument there. But McCain's goals are weaker than those of Obama or Clinton — who call for 80% reductions by 2050, in line with recommendations from the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change — and weaker than the Warner-Lieberman bill, which is seen by many environmentalists as a compromise unequal to the scale of the cuts needed to avert dangerous warming. Though he didn't make this explicit in his speech, under his cap-and-trade plan McCain would initially give away most of the permits to emit carbon to industries, rather than auctioning them off, as Obama and Clinton would. (This means that under McCain's plan, carbon prices are likely to be lower than under the Democrats — and he'll miss out on the revenue created by an auction system, though McCain says that he'll gradually phase out the permit giveaway.) And McCain is, ultimately, a Republican — he said little about the role that government spending could play in advancing alternative energy, or regulating better energy efficiency. His tack is all free market, all the time. Yet global warming is simply too overwhelming a threat to be solved by the invisible hand alone, even if it gets a little nudge.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1739593,00.html
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 12:18 PM
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1. He gonna say anything to get votes..He is a POGS..... piece of green shit
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 12:32 PM
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2. And, we cannot rely on the media to point out McCain's weak environmental record or plans.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 06:29 PM
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3. OBAMA has to do it...IMHO....McLame is Johnny come lately when it comes to Green
His record clearly shows the opposite...he is beholden to them Military Idustrial Fellas...

McLame is a man of WAR...something we can il afford in todays climate...political or otherwise....
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 06:44 PM
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4. Lol my friend :)
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 06:45 PM by symbolman
Good call..

I figure that McCain is going to Fertilize the Earth with BODIES per his 100 Years of War.. First the Earth will be coated in a fine mist of RED Blood, then after it seeps down into the ground the grass will be SO GREEN, eh?

Mahalo & Aloha
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:31 PM
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5. McLame is a man of limited Intellect.....he is not a reader....maybe small shit but of series shit?
I don't see any evidence...just like Bush....both have limited intellect.

Listen to how they both talk....always with small jokes/put downs...classic Bully Crap

These are not signs of great Leaders...they are signs of primitive brain functions....
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:41 PM
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6. It depends on his meds and what he had for dinner. If his Xanax and his burrito kick in ...
at the same time, the pathetic old fart blows past green all the way to chartreuse.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:45 PM
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7. How the hell is he going to reduce emissions by giving away the permits?
Cap n Trade only works when you issue a limited number of permits and force companies to pay for them.
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