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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:19 PM
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AP: Sam Nunn for VP? What do we think?
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 06:37 PM by SlipperySlope
I read this floated by the Associated Press. Bring me up to speed on Nunn, would he be a good choice?
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:21 PM
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1. A fucking disaster
Sam Nunn comes as close to our version of Dick Cheney as anyone around.

A disgusting, right winger. Plus, a nasty homophobe. He was the one who foisted "DADT" on Bill Clinton. Nunn's record on gay rights is absymal, to put it mildly.

I'll sit this out in November if Sam Nunn is VP. Fuck that.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:46 PM
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7. Picking him would be a nightmare.
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stahbrett Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:00 PM
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27. If you believe in the concept that people can change their minds...
Sam Nunn has been quoted recently that he thinks DADT should be revisited - I don't think, if he was the VP candidate, that it would take much for him to move even further towards being in favor of its repeal. He says that he thinks that at the time it was implemented, it was the right thing to do, but that society has changed in the subsequent years.

(Remember, many politicians have changed positions over time, and sometimes they are even sincere about it... Gore's position on abortion, for example.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:04 AM
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47. "Revisit" is not the same as repeal.
There are gay and lesbian people who want to serve their country in the military. They want to serve their country as openly gay men and women. Other countries, such as Israel, Canada, Great Britain, Germany allow gay men and lesbians to openly serve in their militaries. DADT is blatant discrimination. And should be repealed now. Not "revisited", not "reconsidered", not "re-examined". Repealed. As a score of retired military officers, including a former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff plus the 39th President of the United States have urged.
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stahbrett Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:10 AM
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49. I completely agree... but
Sam Nunn WAS totally against allowing gays to openly serve in the military. Now he's open for a revisit of the topic. That's a big change in opinion, in my mind at least. If Obama was thinking of picking him for VP, I am assuming the discussion will include, "Sam, as my VP I'm going to need to you support me 100% on policy issues - any problem with that?" If the answer isn't "No problem!", then I'm thinking Obama will pick someone else.
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stahbrett Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:14 AM
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50. By the way, I'm not advocating Sam Nunn for VP (nt)
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:10 PM
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65. Who gives a shit what he's willing to "revisit"
Fuck him. He's the REASON we didn't get the ban lifted in the first place. Revisit my ass. He should be completely out of the question for ANY Democratic ticket going forward.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:30 PM
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70. No way.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:22 PM
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2. It's like asking "What do you think of vanilla ice cream?"
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 06:23 PM by Blue-Jay
Everybody likes vanilla, but nobody goes out of their way to get it.

I don't hate Nunn, but he brings no excitement to the ticket that I can see. Why bother?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:23 PM
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3. Won't happen. But out of respect, he had to be put on "the list." nt
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:25 PM
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4. My top choice for VP.
He brings the experience and gravitas that Obama lacks in many ways.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:30 PM
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5. No,,,biden
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:42 PM
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6. Change you can believe in. Nunn.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:51 PM
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8. Horrors! Is Nader running?
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:52 PM
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9. No. He might as well make McLurkin VP as Nunn.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:57 PM
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11. I don't want to sit it out this November.
I really don't. I have voted in every Presidential, every mid term election since I was eligible in 1976. I haven't been dazzled by some of our nominees...I wasn't giddy when I voted for Dukakis in 1988, but I voted for him.

But goddammit, I just can't do this. I just can't vote for Obama/Nunn. I will not vote for that.

Hell, if the Obama campaign thinks that Sam Nunn is desirable in an Obama Adminstration, offer Nunn Defense Secretary. There goes the repeal of DADT if that happens, but at least he won't be Vice President.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:03 PM
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13. If he picks a homophobe like Nunn, I will lose a LOT of respect for him.
He doesn't need to pander to bigots.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:32 PM
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33. IMO Nunn will have to chnange his position on DADT as a pre-condition
But I still don't think he show be Vice President. Or Defense Secretary for that matter.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 05:49 PM
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62. Says Nunn: It might be time to take another look at ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’
Former Georgia senator Sam Nunn, who helped push through the 1993 “don’t ask, don’t tell” law that established the terms under which gays and lesbians could serve in the U.S. military, said Tuesday that it’s time to review the policy.

“I think 15 years go by on any personnel policy, it’s appropriate to take another look at it — see how it’s working, ask the hard questions, hear from the military. Start with a Pentagon study,” Nunn said.

The former chairman of the Senate Armed Services wouldn’t say whether he personally supported putting an end to the policy. AJC

I still think he'd suck as a VP nominee.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:12 PM
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66. It "might be time to look at it?" Ask questions? WTF does that even mean?
No, Sam, it's not "time to look at it" it's long past time to undo the damage that YOU did in '93. He should just STFU about it, period.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:55 PM
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10. I say hell no to Nunn. He favors prayer in schools and he's anti-gay.
Plus he's almost as old as McCain.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:49 PM
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71. Good points .. he's more like the old Southern Democrats that became
Republican. Time for change.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:00 PM
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12. No. No. No.
No. :puke:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:06 PM
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14. he fits in with obama's anti gay marriage stance - one on the ticket is enough nt
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:08 PM
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15. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:09 PM
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16. Why isn't anybody floating Barney Frank?
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:10 PM
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17. It's insulting that Nunn's name is even being floated
if he is picked, it would be a very big problem.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:27 PM
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21. The progressive voters would stay home.
Obama isn't a progressive in the first place, so to couple him with a war hawk like Sam Nunn would be a real turn off.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:47 PM
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39. it's because Jimmy Carter mentioned it offhand in public.
and in that sense, he's a bit of a fossil
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:11 PM
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18. Shows how stupid AP is.
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AldebTX Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:13 PM
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19. NO
Big Mistake
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:14 PM
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20. NO NO NO NO NO!
That's what I say. This guy would have had to be earning good graces the past couple of years to be in any position for that. He's backward on any number of issues and would be a total drag.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:29 PM
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22. we haven't really heard much about him
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:29 PM
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23. OMG, he's 900 years old!!!
:wow: Not only no, but HELL NO!!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:29 PM
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24. Fine to give him the respect of "considering" him, but Obama shouldn't seriously consider him. nt
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:33 PM
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25. No
no

hell no
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:54 PM
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26. What do we think?


Homophobic war-hawk retread. Traitor Joe would hardly be worse.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:01 PM
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28. actually sounds like a good possibility
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 08:11 PM by adoraz
could help Obama win over the South.

if we win the South, ITS OVER! :D

edit: I realize people here are against him, but strategically it might be good for winning.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:28 PM
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31. no homophobes on the ticket. absolutely not.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:35 PM
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35. I wasn't saying I personally was for the idea
but I said strategically he might be a good idea to win.

I would need to see some polls though. If he would make gays sit out, then he wouldn't be a good idea.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:10 PM
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29. What do I say???? Well, what I say is...."Nader for president."
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:13 PM
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30. Sounds OK with me. We easily win GA, NC, SC and helps FL. nt
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:31 PM
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32. Isn't he anti-choice?
If so I'm not sure why he would even be considered.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:34 PM
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34. Defense secretary. Energy secretary. National security advisor.
But not Vice President. Not a heartbeat away.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:36 PM
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36. Why?
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 09:39 PM by WinkyDink
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:39 PM
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37. Obama has already alienated a lot of the gay community..
by not apologizing for having Donnie McClurkin emcee one of his events. Having a virulent homophobe as a running mate would not help.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:40 PM
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38. Get that homophobic dinosaur the fuck outa here!!
And someone tell the whore media to shut up already with their LAME assed "predictions". So far I haven't heard them mention one name that sounded like a logical choice......

Maybe poor old dead Timmeh actually mentioned Richardson once, but that was a while back. Obviously he hasn't made any predictions recently.
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The Liberal Thinker Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:51 PM
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40. What is so abhorrent about Sam Nunn?
And especially that which would make voters stay home and sacrifice pretty much the country to the GOP for another 4 years just because they don't like the guy? Grow up.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:54 PM
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41. Good thing you're here to set us straight.
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The Liberal Thinker Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:57 PM
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42. How sarcastic was that?
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:05 AM
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48. He's a puke inducing, right wing homophobe.
How's that for starters?
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The Liberal Thinker Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 05:14 PM
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60. Interesting.
Not trying to abrasive here, but where do you get that from?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:07 PM
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43. Fuck that defense industry loving blue dog piece of shit
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:14 PM
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44. No way, thanks.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:16 PM
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45. NoooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOO!
Is that clear enough?
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:19 PM
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46. I dont like his name, so he is out!
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:15 AM
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51. homophobic ass is what i think. nt
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:49 AM
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52. Way to go homophobe if that's what you want........
I don't give a shit if he HAS recanted. He's an asshole homophobe and I would hate to see his grungy ass as the VP pick.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:50 AM
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53. NO!
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:55 AM
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54. Absolutely no!!
He is a decoy.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:01 AM
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55. don't like it, not one bit
:yoiks:
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:05 AM
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56. He's a dinosaur who's been out of politics forever.
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 10:06 AM by PeterU
No thanks.

I don't dislike him, but I think we need someone a little bit more....relevent.
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:09 AM
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57. nope; it should be a new age Democrat:, Governor Sebulius
both for her astute political talents, and having been the daughter of a former Governor of Ohio. She knows the STUFF.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:31 AM
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58. I just don't believe it.
I don't think Obama will pick him. I don't know why so many people support him though.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:05 AM
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59. I'll have none of that Nunn. n/t
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 05:38 PM
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61. The fact that his name is even mentioned
Makes me livid.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:04 PM
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63. No, nor Graham,Richardson,Hagel,,
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:10 PM
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64. Barney Frank has apparently let the Obama campaign how wrong Nunn would be as VP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x78189
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:13 PM
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67. terrya
would you write that up as its own OP? Thank God for Barney!
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:15 PM
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68. Sure
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:16 PM
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69. We think we would never vote for a ticket with that reptilian fascist on it. n/t
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:55 PM
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72. An emphatic no
One of his worst votes:

Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:22 PM
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73. Bump
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 09:23 PM by jumptheshadow
I am insulted that this man's name has even come up for vice presidential consideration.
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:31 PM
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74. I will be out, Nunn is a total fucking nightmare.
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