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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:53 PM
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McSame Will Drop Out In August
While I don’t put anything past the thuglicans, and McDreadful is a terrible candidate and there is a huge amount of buyer's remorse, I question the writer’s logic about why a new person at the 11th hour could succeed. Most of them have a record they can be judged on and some, Thine and Bloomberg, for example are hardly household names. Still forewarned is forearmed, and should this come to pass it will be easy to say it was planned all along.


“I think there is every reason to believe John McCain won't be the nominee. Ok, let me say that again. McCain will not be the Republican candidate in November.

Here's how it could happen:

At some point in mid August, John McCain will announce that he has decided that he can not accept his party's nomination for president. The reason will be health-related, and that may turn out to be the truth. Anyone who's seen him on stage these days knows he looks like he's about to keel over. And anyone who's been on a presidential campaign knows the physical demands are grueling and can be a challenge for a young man.

But excuses or facts hardly matters. He won't be accepting his party's nomination.

The reasons are simple. He can't win. Now that Obama is the presumptive Democratic nominee -- the polls all show that McCain's pro-war stance and Bush endorsement make him a lost cause in November. That combined with soft stand on litmus test conservative issues make him an unpopular candidate among the base. I know some Democrats that think the Republicans are planning to let McCain lose and 'sit this one out' so that they can hang the democrats with a bad economy and a war that is a morass. But that just isn't how they play. They play to win every hand -- think about 2000 with a popular Democratic president and good economy and a solid VP running for president. Why did they put up Bush? And why did they fight so hard? Because, you don't ever throw a game. And they're not going to throw this one.

McCain won't be the nominee.

By August, they'll have done something to try and pick away at Obama's popularity. They'll emphasize race, or whatever they can to get him to appear less than perfect. Then, they'll bring out of the woodwork a surprise candidate who can shift the story fast. With just two months before the election -- the new candidate will have little time to be 'vetted' but will be shiny and new, and will get a lot of media attention as Obama's newness will have become -- by then -- tarnished or at least no longer the surprise that it has been as he unseated Hillary.” Cont…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rosenbaum/when-mccain-drops-out_b_107236.html
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:55 PM
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1. This scenario doesn't seem too likely. For one thing, I don't think
there is any Republican who could step up and win the election with just a two month campaign.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:57 PM
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3. Not only that, it would make the Rethugs appear disorganized.
And here I thought the Dems had cornered the market on disorganization. LOL
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:55 PM
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19. No they would be giving up on the 2008 campaign but they atleast would be
putting forth their new leader for 2012.

As it now stands they will be getting wiped out in a landslide and then have to fight it out in 4 years to find a successor.

I admit it is still a long shot due to the fact that McCain is a contrarian but they are facing a disastorous defeat and confusion in the future.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:57 PM
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2. No way that will happen! There's NO WAY they'd even have a chance
with someone entering the campaign that late! TS they have buyers remorse. LIVE WITH IT!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:03 PM
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4. The ONE way that scenario is even remotely plausible:
(and I don't think it is)

If McCain chose a VP that was wildly popular with the masses, he could probably step down and have the VP "elevated" to the Prez spot on the ticket.

...but I don't see the Republicans finding anybody who fits the bill and selling them to the public in 4 months.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:09 PM
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8. Ah, But What Con Would Be That Popular
Jindal with his exorcisms, Condi with her boot diplomacy, Huckleberry with his right wing agenda, Bloomberg who most of the country doesn't know...?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:12 PM
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9. My point exactly
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:35 AM
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22. If they had someone who was wildly popular . . .
he would have run for President and would be the nominee.

I think a more likely scenario than McCain dropping out before the GE: McCain selects a veep that appeals to the base. In the unlikely event that McCain is elected, he would drop our for health related reasons (or death), and the veep they like takes over.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:52 AM
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37. Excellent Point
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 07:48 AM
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30. That's the only scenario and who on earth could fill the bill? They got nothin'. nt
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:06 PM
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5. Thom Hartmann was discussing earlier today on his show........
that he thinks McCain will decline his party's nomination in August due to health concerns (McCain looks like he's already dead) and the repukes will replace him with Romney. And I think Thom is onto something.

It's not even July yet and Obama is running neck and neck with McCain in many regions of the country where Democrats have been getting skunked in the last several elections (ex. Colorado, Missouri too, I think). By September, Obama will have run away with away with this election and the repukes won't even be able to make a believeable theft of the election.

The repukes know they've got to ditch McCain. And so does McCain.

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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:06 PM
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6. McCain is the GOP sacrificial lamb.
I'm sure the Republican leadership can see just as clearly as everyone else that this country is going to crash hard within the next year or two, and there's little anyone can do to stop it. It takes time and space to steer an ocean liner away from an iceberg, and we have little of either. That being the case, the GOP don't want to be anywhere near the captain's chair when the ice hits the keel. They're greedily eying 2012, when they can look at a devastated economy and say, "see, things were great when we were in power, but the Democrats have turned everything to shit." And a lot of people will believe them.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:46 PM
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18. To believe that is to believe Obama is going to be a complete failure
of a President.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:58 PM
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21. How do you figure?
I was talking about what the GOP leadership are thinking will happen. If they believe things will go bad, and they believe that no one (not even Obama) can stop it from happening, then their strategy will be to get the hell out of Dodge for a while, hoping to ride back into town wearing a white hat when the dust clears.

Nothing in this argument says anything about what will really happen. Personally, I'm very optimistic about Obama's ability to fix things.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:41 AM
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23. Likely they want a Dem to win
to fix the country, like Clinton fixed Bush I's mess.
When it's all fixed they start stealing elections again.



:evilgrin:
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:15 AM
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25. That works too.
Either way, McCadaver is just a stalking horse, propped up on the podium to make it look like the GOP is in the race.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 07:34 AM
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29. Yeah, except for the stealing elections after it's fixed part.
I would like to see it illegal not to have a paper trail.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:06 PM
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7. There's One Ginormous Problem
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 10:07 PM by MannyGoldstein
They'd have to find a Rethuglican that appeals to their core crazies but is not immediately repellent to most of the rest of America. McCain *was* the least horrific of the refuse that was running - which is a pretty low bar, indeed.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:13 PM
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10. You cannot stop Skynet
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:38 PM
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12. Sc-a-r-y
Can't picture her as 1st lady
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:58 PM
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13. I don't think you'll have to.
Not gonna happen. McCain is toast
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:16 PM
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11. well, it's happened before...
then the thugs will run Alan Keyes!

THAT really worked out, didn't it!

:rofl:


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:06 PM
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14. I don't know who's going to be
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 11:06 PM by zidzi
on the rethug's ticket in Nov. but, Obama will always be full of good surprises and great, sexy democratic, things to buzz the Nation.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:32 PM
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16. Lips To Ears Zidzi
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:31 PM
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15. but but but this is a pity nomination.
like what dole got. sort of like a parting gift before they get showeled of to obscurity. and face lifts.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:33 PM
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17. Don't Forget Viagra
:rofl:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:56 PM
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20. so McCain is now Harriet Miers, a place holder?
when that happens i'll believe it.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:48 AM
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24. this is plausible
if you can resurrect Ronald Reagan. :dilemma:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 07:52 AM
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32. I bet they dream at tnight that they could. Damn those immutable laws of physics! nt
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:39 AM
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26. is anyone on the right bringing this up?
The only place I've seen or heard about this possibility is on huffingtonpost and left radio. Is the other side talking about this or are we so gun shy after the past 8 years that we can't appreciate the winning situation we're currently in?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 07:53 AM
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33. By George, I think you've got it. nt
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:55 AM
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27. Ho ho
John McCain would rather take a 80%-20% beating than give up the nomination. He fanatically believes in victory as an almost religious concept.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:41 AM
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28. Iv'e been saying for ages that McCain is a set up. Mit Romney or Huckabee is waiting to take the
reigns.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 07:49 AM
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31. Some Republicans may wish McCain would drop out but I think they're
stuck with him.

And they deserve him.


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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:50 AM
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36. That I Think Is An Understatement
Looking at him campaign I've got to believe they're tearing their hair out.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:56 AM
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38. Yep. He has sounded kind of beat-up and weary for some time now,
and he's not getting any better.

Maybe Bobby Jindal should perform an exorcism...
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:14 AM
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39. God I Loved That
They're touting this guy as the future of the party and then the exorcism business pops up.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:17 AM
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40. I love it too. If it's not war savagery, corporate fraud, or diapers, it's
exorcism.

Gotta love those Pukes!
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:22 AM
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34. Pick Schweitzer as VP and the narrative (story) will not switch in favor
of the new Republican nominee. Obama/Schweitzer would suck all of the oxygen out of the room.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:23 AM
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35. Agree. It would be a breath-taking ticket.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:22 PM
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43. They would win in a HUGE landslide PLUS Americans would feel really good about this
country again.

Can anyone name a more exciting ticket?
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:19 AM
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41. Why not now?
Let's skip the GE and put Obama in the WH right flippin' now! :patriot:
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:52 AM
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42. The whole public finance issue add's credibilty to this position that McSame will drop out
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:30 PM
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44. This is what happens ...

...when you snort talcum powder.

The guy responsible for MTV Unfiltered gives us his thoughts on political schemes. Nice. Fits the theme, I guess. When you have no good ideas, just make shit up.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:32 PM
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45. If his numbers drop very low, he'll use health as an issue to be replaced by his VP.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 05:46 PM
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46. Ron Paul would be the only thuglican with half a chance nt
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:16 PM
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47. I have been thinking this for months now,...
and they are learning from Obama now and will use this new person who has not had to fight against all Obama has I have been thinking of Romney or Huckabee..I watch them very closely and what they are and are not saying. I also believe that there will be some type of protest at the Dems convention.

As I have heard these moderators say on these shows we should win but Dems sure know how to mess it up somehow by, wanting the nominee to do everything they want they tear him or her down before they can even take office.What has really irritated me over this campaign season is that RepubliCONS have causing a lot of the controversy all through the campaign with Obama and Hillary. Hillary knew it too and she did not want them to be able to say she was beaten and that is why she would not give up. They are now using what they really put into place to divide Dems and they can't even see it...
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 07:10 PM
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48. Yeah, because McCain simply isn't AMBITIOUS enough. PUH-LEEZE.
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