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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:36 AM
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Has Joe Lieberman totally lost his mind? He's open to speaking at the RNC?
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 10:38 AM by Blue_Roses
Lieberman willing to star at Republican convention
By Manu Raju
Posted: 04/15/08 08:06 PM

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), the Democratic Party’s 2000 vice presidential nominee, is leaving open the possibility of giving a keynote address on behalf of Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) at the Republican National Convention in September.

Republicans close to the McCain campaign say Lieberman’s appearance at the convention, possibly before a national primetime audience, could help make the case that the presumptive GOP nominee has a record of crossing the aisle. That could appeal to much-needed independent voters.

McCain has yet to ask Lieberman to speak, either in primetime or elsewhere, at the convention. But if McCain thinks it will help make his case for the White House, as some of his allies suspect, Lieberman would be willing to speak on his behalf.

“If Sen. McCain, who I support so strongly, asked me to do it, if he thinks it will help him, I will,” Lieberman said in a brief interview.


Lieberman said he doubts McCain will ask him to give a keynote address, but acknowledges the subject has yet to come up in the two senators’ discussions.

more...


http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/lieberman-willing-to-star-at-republican-convention-2008-04-15.html


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What has happened to him that has made him make such a hard-right turn.:shrug: I can't believe this is the same man that Al Gore had as his running mate.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:37 AM
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1. Why would this be surprising?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:38 AM
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2. i'm surprised you are shocked at this
he has ENDORSED McCain and may even be his VP running mate. i think he will at least give the keynote.

but why are you surprised after everything he has already done ?
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:40 AM
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3. I guess what's got me so BEWILDERED is the fact
that he was once Al Gore's running mate and someone who I thought was on our side. I know he's been slowly moving right, but sometimes, things don't hit you right at first. This finally did it.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:42 AM
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8. well, just think that what he was most known for when Gore picked him for VP
was him criticizing Clinton.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:43 AM
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9. More shocking given that Obama actually supported him in the CT primary
That's a pretty blatant back-stabbing.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:45 AM
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11. That's all we need; Grumpy Old Men in the White House
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:47 AM
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19. LOL!
:rofl:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:43 PM
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34. Good Lord!! That would be the geezer and snoozer ticket!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:40 AM
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No, it's the Democratic Party that has lost its mind...
How many does he have to tell us that he is now a Republican. Kick him out of the Party now. Take away his committee chairs. Make a deal with Chuck Hagel and give Lieberman's chair to him.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:46 AM
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16. Not a bad suggestion, however he will become irrelevent very soon /nt
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:39 PM
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38. The last I knew his delegate status was revoked to the Dem Convention per the Zell Miller DNC rule.
That's a start.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:40 AM
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4. Gore did NOT want him.
Lieberman was essentially forced on Gore. One of the many missteps that his campaign made. Oh well.

Also, this is about Lieberman being an attention whore. He's out for nobody but himself, period. When the Democrats no longer need his support in the senate, he will be essentially ignored by both parties for the rest of his term.

I imagine the buyer's remorse is getting pretty bad for his constituents.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:41 AM
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5. He wants to be this year's Zell Miller?
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:42 AM
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7. Zell was nuts! I'll never forget the way he yelled at Chris Matthews
during the RNC convention:rofl:
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:46 AM
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14. Well, a decaf version anyway.
I think this is the stage of history being re-replayed as farce (2004 was definitely a tragedy.)

Put another way--this bit's been played. Zell freaked out a lot of people in no small part because Chimpy could still ride high and have his surrogates call Democrats "surrender monkeys" with impunity.

Obama's made it plain that he's not going to put up with this aggression without, as the Clash put it, "give it two time back."
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:04 AM
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26. Yes, he's Zell's twin. n/t
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:39 PM
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32. Yes, he is Zell Miller without the pork rinds
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:43 AM
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58. Yes, this has been clear for a while now. But let not your heart be troubled.
Holy Joe is like Zell on Xanax: just as wacko, but with a lot less energy. Just the way McCain is like Bush, only older.

Barack Obama is Monsieur Electable. Don't stress. :hi:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:42 AM
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6. He is the Zell Miller of the 2008 election
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:45 AM
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12. He is worse than miller because he duped the people of Conecticut /nt
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:44 AM
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10. He believes that the Iraq war was and is justified. It is as simple as that
Everything that he has done in this regard has attacked our Constitution, made the U.S. less secure, made region less secure, and made the world less secure

There was a reason why subsequent administrations DID NOT invade Iraq. It wasn't because Saddam was a nice guy, but because he was a balancing force in the area.

He has become an irrelevent POS, who the people of Connecticut should be ashamed of themselves for electing him

The good news is that we WILL win ALL THREE branches of government, and his time is coming to an end

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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:47 AM
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18. I figured that...
he's has always been a big supporter of the war...

makes sense...
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:48 AM
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21. Like mccain they are war lovers, whose interests are not what's best for the country /nt
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:45 AM
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13. The only thing that "surprises" me
is that he hasn't been stripped of Committee assignments and booted from the Dem Caucus
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:49 AM
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23. Can they do that, or do they have to wait until the next session? /nt
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:42 PM
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39. The ducks aren't all in a row yet. The election will complete it. Then he can be stripped of seats.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:46 AM
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15. It's high time we purged the party
of all these DINO's like Lieberman, Zell, and others that don't support a left of center democratic party.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:46 AM
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17. He's a traitor
certainly to his party and arguably to his country as his foreign policy views seem to have been dictated to him from Israel and the Likud Party. What do you expect?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:48 AM
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20. Some of us were trying to push him out years ago when his true colors
started showing but we were met with angry cries that he's a Democrat and how dare the netroots.

It hurts very much to know we failed and see him everyday parading around like his shit don't stink.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:49 AM
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22. it must be hell to find yourself getting old and instead of garnering more power...
you see it slipping away...so much so that you go against your long-held positions and gravitate toward what you perceive as the best way to maintain your personal power...

wherever lieberman ends up in his political career, the downward turn will have become obvious...and it won't have been in 2008...

he's been 'over there' for years....
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:00 AM
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24. I am so going to get flamed and possibly banned for saying this...
But the fact that Lieberman is such a prominent Jewish leader really makes me wish he wouldn't behave this way. I'd hate to see him reinforcing bullshit stereotypes by thinking only of his political ambitions and not his position as a Jewish leader.

I just hate getting the impression that he's using Jewish voters as some sort of bargaining chip towards his own political aspirations. It's sad, really.

I'm sure I'll be deleting this in about 2 minutes, but I felt I had to say it.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:41 AM
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29. no flames, but how do you figure he's "a leader"?
I mean he's not a rabbi, he's a US Senator who happens to be Jewish (and happens to use religiosity as a cloak for assimilation with the fundies), so his opinion is as canonical to Judaism as Louis Farrakhan's, maybe less given the "two Jews, three opinions" school of thought. His usefulness as a bargaining chip is to make 2/3rds of Jews groan and wish he were a Mormon or something, and the remaining 27-32% will vote for McCain anyway; I doubt the numbers will change dramatically if schmucko takes the stage. If God Hizzelf popped out of a trapdoor at the RNC convention and endorsed McCain, Reform Jews would still want a second opinion.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:24 PM
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31. That's a very interesting point.
And, to be blunt, I figure he's a "leader" because I'm not Jewish and that's what the MSM tells me.

Sad, right?

But I'm sure as hell glad to hear that's not the case!
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:02 AM
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25. I think he's gonna be McLame's veep choice.
And that it won't be announced before the convention. Joe will give the keynote address and McSame will then announce him as running mate.

Purely speculative on my part, but it's as good a guess as anybody else's.

Bake
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:47 PM
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40. Should Lieberman accept the VP spot he will have completed digging his grave.
For him to even consider speaking for McCain shows a poor show of judgment on his part. Any seasoned politician would know that the winds are not blowing the right way for him to go against the Democratic Party. He has been spitting in the wind and getting away with it before because the wind was blowing the same way he was spitting.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:11 PM
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43. He's toast as far as the Dems are concerned anyway.
And I think he knows it.

Bake
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:23 PM
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44. Lieberman is does not appear to understand he is toast by his actions.
If he knew what he was doing he would not had taken such foolish actions.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:28 PM
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45. The die was cast when he ran for re-election as an Independent.
He knew at that point, or had to have known, that his relationship with the Party was strained at best. His pro-war hawkishness sealed it, and he had to know that too. Joe may be a total prick, but I don't think he's completely stupid.

He has to know that once we don't need him anymore, he's banished from his committee leadership positions, seniority, etc. Why else would he be sucking up to the Pukes, other than to have a place in the minority in which to land when the Dems boot his quisling ass out?

Bake
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:11 AM
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27. Kick his ass out.
x(
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:33 AM
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28. He knows his days of influence are limited
I think he liked being part of the gang of 14 (and remember that McCain was part of that) that held sway for awhile and has been enjoying his spoiler role as someone to be courted given the tight numbers in the Senate.

Get a solid majority of Democrats in the Senate and all that is gone for him. He won't have to be courted for his vote by Dems and I imagine there's a store of resentment built up at having had to do this, so it puts him in a tenuous position with Democratic leadership.

Joe's clearly been all about Joe for awhile now, not about his constituents or his party (already left that behind) or the people of this country.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:49 AM
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30. He's using his last few months of influence before the November elections
reduce him to a non-entity. Once we have a solid 55-60 votes in the senate, Lieberman (ind-asshole) will no longer be a committee chair. Best he can hope is the Republicans will let him caucus with he minority.

Assuming, of course, that the Democrats in the senate-once they have a REAL majority-have the guts to act like a real political party.

Hey, I can dream can't I.....
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:42 PM
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33. Is I-CONN his affiliation or his modus operandi?
:hi:

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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:58 PM
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35. Hasn't Lieberman always been a warmonger concerning the Middle East?
None of his stances since 9/11 have surprised me - seems consistent Joe Lieberman to me.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:02 PM
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36. He is Israel's Congressman.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:13 PM
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37. it's not that surprising
It was Republican votes that reelected him in 2006 - they are his constituency now.

Right now he's got the Dems by the short hairs - without him in our caucus, control of the Senate would go back to the Republicans. So we put up with him. Lieberman also realizes that after this November and the gains we will make, he'll be on the outside - so he's kissing up to the RNC with the hope that at least they'll be nice to him when he switches sides.

He knows that his only hope of continued power is a McCain win and a position in his cabinet - because the people of CT will vote him out in 2012. So he's going to do everything he can to ensure a McCain win.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:49 PM
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41. You guyz are actually surprised at this...c'mon...!
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:11 PM
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42. guess he'll be switching parties at some point
Doesn't seem like Obama's talking to sank in. That's ok. Come November, he'll find himself aligned with the losers, stripped of any and all leadership position, and completely and totally irrelevent.

I've despised him from the time he was made Gore's running mate. Running around whining, "I want to put $300 in Every American's Pocket!" in that creepy, tremulous voice. Ugh.

Bare, nekkid, unabashed, unambiguous, shameless pandering. Blatently trying to buy votes. He may as well have been whining, "40 acres n' a mule!" :puke::puke::puke:
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:32 PM
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46. Umm were you not aware that he not only has endorsed McCain, he's travelling everywhere with him,
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 03:33 PM by Mayberry Machiavelli
campaigning for him, created a group called "Citizens for McCain" etc.?

After the fall elections when the Democrats pick up more Senate seats and no longer need him to maintain committee chairmanships, I wouldn't be surprise at all if he makes his transition to Republican official and complete.

And, as far as the Republican Convention thing, I thought that was announced long ago. It's not a surprise to me at all.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:14 PM
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49. yeah, of course I knew he endorsed McCain, but something about speaking
at the convention just hit me like a ton of bricks. I guess I had a flash of Zell Miller and his hateful self.

I knew Lieberman and McCain were good friends from way back when, so that didn't surprise me when he endorsed McCain, but now it's so "in-your-face" ...

Sometimes, there are those of us, who continue to try and see the glass as half-full, that is, until the glass is finally empty.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:33 PM
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47. Go Joementum!
:toast:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:35 PM
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48. Why are you surprised...
haven't you been watching him for the past few years, he has shown you who he is..
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:39 PM
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50. Crossing the aisle?
could help make the case that the presumptive GOP nominee has a record of crossing the aisle.

How does having

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.)

kiss your warmongering ass count as "crossing the aisle"? That's an I next to Traitor Joe's name, not a D, and it hasn't been a D since he lost to Lamont, then took his marbles and went home.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:47 PM
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51. The Dem caucus should throw him out on his ear
and tattoo traitor on his butt. He's a Republican masquerading as a liberal. I hope Connecticut votes him out 4 years from now. At least we know President Obama will be campaigning against him.
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Swingstater Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:00 PM
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52. How can you lose something you never had?
Lieberman lost his mind years ago, when he began cozying up to Republicans.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:02 PM
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53. We wrote him off a long time ago
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:02 PM
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54. He is simply hanging out with those he likens to the most....its been obvious
for a very long time now...but in his case I think it boils down to his ties to Israel...its that simple.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:03 PM
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55. Lost his mind? More like found his party
he was never a "liberal"
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:10 PM
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56. The Republican Party outside of McCain and Lindsey Graham
has a very low opinion of Lieberman. The fact that he was Al Gore's running mate, hails from a northeastern state and is of Jewish ancestry does not help his cause with the Party of Jeff Davis. Lieberman like Lindsey Graham, and Bobby Jindahl are welcome to enter into the big tent room but can't gain access into the back room where the backslappin real deals are done. Alan Keyes has a lot to say about the backroom deals and conversations that he was never a part to. So does Armstrong Williams and Colin Powell. People of color, Jewish ancestry and homosexuals are not welcome into the real Republican Party. How many times do they have to call someone Macacca, drag a young gay man's body down a dirt road, or deny the Holocaust before Lieberman and Graham face the truth that the rest of us have already acknowledged on their behalf?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 12:35 AM
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57. Isn't he an Independent?
Not a fan of Lieberman, but he's no longer a Democrat and can speak wherever he wants. Besides, he already seems to have aligned himself with McCain.
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 03:09 AM
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60. McCain will need him by his side...
so that when he makes a faux pas Lieberman can whisper corrections into his ear. The very, very odd couple.

Can hardly wait for the Republican Convention. Should be very exciting...lulling the viewers to sleep. Beware the subliminal messages.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 03:03 AM
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59. Lieberman was originally elected senator with support from Buckley and the National Review
He ran to the right of the Republican senator whom he defeated.

So none of this is that surprising. But I assume what happened to intensify it, is that in his last election he was rejected by his own party and re-elected with the support of the Republicans, who essentially dumped their own candidate for him.
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