What really, really pisses me off

is that it should matter whether or not Obama is a Muslim. Or, for that matter, an atheist or a Jain.

It irks me every time someone feels the need to say to a RWer, "No, he's not a Muslim," as though that, in and of itself, would be something to be ashamed of.

And yet it continually needs to be said because, to too many voters, it would mean something negative if he were.

Honesty is what should matter, not religion.

when they see McCain- and they treat him with kid-gloves as if his particular suffering is sacred.

I've known Vets, and still know a few, who would have no part in the glorifying of their experiences for personal gain.

They are true heroes to me.

And always will be.


peace~

There is absolutely no way around the fact that it's a stark case of overt religious bigotry.

Personally, I'd prefer him to be a Buddhist, but that's clearly irrelevant.

Thanks for saying this. :loveya:

sw

Ek vet...

Nú eru Háva mál
kveðin Háva höllu í,
allþörf ýta sonum,
óþörf jötna sonum.
Heill sá, er kvað,
heill sá, er kann,
njóti sá, er nam,
heilir, þeirs hlýddu.

Now the sayings of the High One are uttered in the hall
for the weal of men, for the woe of Jötuns,
Hail, thou who hast spoken! Hail, thou that knowest!
Hail, ye that have hearkened! Use, thou who hast learned!

It is not in those trying to correct the record.

If you are asking "Why don't they point out that there's nothing wrong with being a Muslim?" it's because they know it's a fruitless thing to say to people who are only interested in creating fear.

I'm quite convinced that the msm and the "average Joe" thinks that there is something in the Constitution that makes it illegal for a Muslim, or anyone non-christian for that matter, from being POTUS.

Yes, people really are that stupid.

"Psychopathic" is the word you want.

I'm clumsy, not illiterate.

:D

or a hindu or a wiccan or just a lazy bastard like me who thinks it's a waste of time to get up on sunday just to go listen to some asshole pretend he knows more about god than I do.

Anybody that it matters to fuck them. They can kiss my ass.

Forgive me I'm feeling very belligerent tonight. I just drove 100 miles in 100 degree heat to deliver two calves to a guy and the road was full of asswipes. Since i got home I've been hitting the old margaritas.

I would have no problem voting for someone who self-identified as a Muslim if they were sufficiently heterodox, but I would never, ever vote for anyone who genuinely supported the principles set out by Mohammed in the Koran, and anyone sufficiently liberal to be a decent political candidate would not be regarded as a good Muslim, and possibly not as a Muslim at all, by most living Muslims.

In the same way, JFK was a damn good president despite being nominally Catholic, but anyone who followed Catholic teaching on abortion, birth control, gay rights etc would be a very bad one.

but not the stupid idiots that sacrifice animal.

In short, I agree.

And most Muslims are NOT fundamentalists. Most of the Muslims I know are relaxed, reasonable, sophisticated people. The upsurge of fundamentalism in the Islamic world is largely an angry reaction to western (i.e. mostly American & Israeli) incursions of one sort or another.

The majority of even non-fundamentalist Muslims - although by no means all of them - hold views on gay rights, abortion and women's rights that mean that I disagree with sufficiently strongly that I would virtually never vote for them.

And while the current brand of Islamic fundamentalism may be relatively new, it's not untrue to the history of Islam - it's the more liberal Muslims who are deviating most from the views and teachings of Mohammed, I think.

I suspect that the current upsurge in Wahhabism has many causes - Arab nationalism, the oil fields and the like - and that recent tensions with the West are a relatively minor one.

But I do agree that religious fundmentalists of virtually any stripe tend not to make good political leaders.

hold those same views on gay and women's rights--and also approves of slavery, for instance. There are plenty of Muslims out there, and I know many, who practice their faith in the same half-assed way most Christians do. They drink, they fornicate, they even vote for Democrats. I think your certainty on this issue is borne of your unfamiliarity with it.

but because he's "Muslim" and therefore "a terrorist." It PISSES ME OFF that people are stupid enough to make blanket assumptions like that. I live two blocks away from a mosque and its members are perfectly good and decent neighbors.

I may have to steal the 'really' meme, I have a real gripe tonight.

In the event that he were Muslim, which he isn't, why should it mattered? Our founding fathers stressed religious tolerance.

My husband replied it would make no difference to him if Obama was muslim. The "closet" thing would, however, bother him. :)

Personally, I wish religion would play no part in politics.

Regardless of terrorism. It's just another way to rationalize racism.

Moral, ethical, even spiritual ~ but without a religion.

They are losing their grip on public homophobia.

If they continue to float the ludicrous and silly "secret Muslim" notion, we should ponder whether or not McCain is a "secret, brain-washed, Vietcong sleeper agent."