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platosrepublic Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:12 PM
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Not good Obama .. :(
Man, why didnt Obama fight this telco immunity thing; it makes me sick to my stomach. I fight for him every day, every day i convince people to be for Obama, everyday i try to help some how. I call, donate money (what little i have), everything for the cause. And WTF is this?

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/davidjacobitz/gG5hzy

Its on the Obama blog now too,

Obama really needs to step up and fight for this.. i will continue to support him; however i will no longer donate or spend time if he dose not fight immunity.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:15 PM
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1. What if Obama votes for an amendment removing retroactive immunity,
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 11:16 PM by Eric J in MN
...the amendment fails, and then Obama votes for the whole bill which includes retroactive immunity?

(my prediction of what he'll do next week)
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:17 PM
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2. We dont know what will happen
This wont be an Obama show. Other democrats will try their own amendments.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:18 PM
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5. He's got far more important matters to address like Iraq and the economy
Telecom immunity is not a big concern for the vast majority of US voters
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:19 PM
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6. The 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is not important???
???
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 08:49 AM
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27. Thank you eom
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:21 PM
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7. That swings both ways.
Obama could vote against the FISA bill, and most Americans wouldn't care.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:17 PM
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3. Thanks for your concern.......
Is that your blog over there?
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:38 PM
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13. Cool pic in the sig line
I've never seen that before, is that one of those WSJ illustrations?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 12:29 AM
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19. yes it is. I stole it right off their site.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:17 PM
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4. I have nothing to base this on - so it may be wishful thinking.
Obama has a perilous tightrope to walk - worse than any other dem candidate has had to do. He has to play his hand so that he gets the most votes to end this nightmare. He is smart. I think he knows what he is doing. He said he would fight the immunity. But he has to be careful that he does not give the smearing media anything with which to destroy his campaign. If you want this country to change, try to understand what he has to overcome.

Maybe this is naive - maybe it is not. But I know he only wants the best for the country, but he still has to get to where it can be implemented.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:23 PM
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8. Obama failed to act like a leader on this issue
Being a Constitutional lawyer, he should smell fascism immediately and granting Telecoms retroactive immunity for breaking the law is promoting fascism.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 09:02 AM
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29. I have to agree with you one this one
You'd think he would have had little trouble convincing the public that voting against this bill is the right thing to do. He could have taken a cue from Kucinich.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:25 PM
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9. Maybe communicate this directly to Obama on his campaign or Senate site
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 11:25 PM by ProSense
Somehow these "I will no longer donate or support Obama" pronouncements don't sit right.

My thinking is that saying, at this point, that Obama doesn't get your donations or support is equivalent to not caring if McCain wins.

Obama could fight for it, vote against it and it still could pass.

Choice: Obama or McCain.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:28 PM
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10. I'd feel a lot better if David Jacobitz had a better track record of supporting Obama
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 11:29 PM by Catherina
but essentially I agree with him and hope Obama takes notice and doesn't dismiss the comments.

He must fight this. It's not his most crucial test but it's a defining test at a crucial moment for him.

I have faith he'll respond in a way that relieves any doubts over the next few days. We spoke, he'll listen.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:31 PM
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11. I guess my thoughts at this point are, lets get Obama into the WH and then....
take it from there! We can all stress big time over telco immunity, but it won't do us much good... We obviously need an Obama Presidency, and then we can let him know what we expect of him at that point.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:33 PM
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12. I agree with you
Satan is throwing a snowball.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:57 PM
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14. What does that expression mean? NT
NT
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 07:00 AM
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25. We must pick our battles carefully before Nov. Politics IS a chess game...
I want a checkmate in January
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 07:06 AM
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26. Yeah, well we PAWNS are tired of being sacrificed.
I am an Obama supporter and a long time DUer.

The money I was going to donate to Obama went
to ACT BLUE yesterday, to put towards letting
the House and Senate know how important our
4th amendment rights are to me.

If Obama votes on a final bill that includes
immunity, I will not be giving him money.

I know he will not miss my drops in the bucket,
but I have my "deal breakers" too.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 09:19 AM
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30. Don't give him money. I'd rather see people donate their time doing GOTV.
Edited on Sat Jun-21-08 09:21 AM by rosebud57
I have no deal breakers whe it is between having a Democrat or Republican.

If he doesn't get elected because of an Oct. surprise blamed on Democrats & FISA we are screwed. These next few months are perilous. I don't want a candidate who would blow it.

I am a realist.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 12:02 AM
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15. The whole bill needs to be taken off the table and re-written
Congress has a lot to answer for
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 12:09 AM
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 12:10 AM
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17. He will.
Thanks for your concern, though.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 12:26 AM
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18. Please don't take Plato's name in vain
Thanks :hi: for your concern.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 12:41 AM
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20. 48 u'r always:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:22 AM
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21. Honestly, I don't care. I just want to win.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:47 AM
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22. why?
because the teevee gnews are not on our side. yet.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 03:00 AM
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23. Go read something useful.
Like for example what Obama actually said.

And stop hyperventilating. It will lead to no good end.
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MJJP21 Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:30 AM
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24. Disappointed
I am disappointed as well but somehow I think Obama has one up his sleave on this one. Lets hope.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 09:00 AM
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28. It's called "be the President" mode. He could criminally prosecute them once he becomes President.
It's political, it's not straight forward, and I don't like it if that's really what he's thinking. But I'm sure FDR did things around election time that left Democrats scratching their heads.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 02:10 PM
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31. I don't think we can expect this kind of thing
from Obama.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 03:00 PM
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32. a lot of responses on that blog
I added mine as well.

Thank you
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:50 PM
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33. McCain didn't love America, until he was tortured into it. There are no atheists in foxholes eith
Its the general election stupid, lets save these battles for after Obama is in the WH.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 08:35 PM
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34. Sad state of affairs for the hope and change candidate.
:( indeed.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 08:39 PM
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35. Wow, I had no idea how many GOP'ers posted on Obama's blog until I followed that link.
Edited on Sat Jun-21-08 08:42 PM by AZBlue
I truly understand not liking his stance or not agreeing with him. I truly can not understand witholding your support or contributions.
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