I hope Obama wins, but if he doesn't....

Who gives a shit? In this time in America, voting for Obama is the right thing to do and if he does not win in November, well, I can sleep fine because it was the right thing to do.

thing to do

That's how I'm gonna term it.

My children's future is at stake here.

I give a shit.

and intelligent non-parents know it's crucial.

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Historians belonging to both parties offered a litany of historical comparisons that give little hope to the Republican. Several saw Barack Obama’s prospects as the most promising for a Democrat since Roosevelt trounced Hoover in 1932.

“This should be an overwhelming Democratic victory,” said Allan Lichtman, an American University presidential historian who ran in a Maryland Democratic senatorial primary in 2006. Lichtman, whose forecasting model has correctly predicted the last six presidential popular vote winners, predicts that this year, “Republicans face what have always been insurmountable historical odds.” His system gives McCain a score on par with Jimmy Carter’s in 1980.

“McCain shouldn’t win it,” said presidential historian Joan Hoff, a professor at Montana State University and former president of the Center for the Study of the Presidency. She compared McCain’s prospects to those of Hubert Humphrey, whose 1968 loss to Richard Nixon resulted in large part from the unpopularity of sitting Democratic president Lyndon Johnson.

“It is one of the worst political environments for the party in power since World War II,” added Alan Abramowitz, a professor of public opinion and the presidency at Emory University. His forecasting model — which factors in gross domestic product, whether a party has completed two terms in the White House and net presidential approval rating — gives McCain about the same odds as Adlai Stevenson in 1952 and Carter in 1980 — both of whom were handily defeated in elections that returned the presidency to the previously out-of-power party. “It would be a pretty stunning upset if McCain won,” Abramowitz said.

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Obama has to work very hard. Humphrey was only 2% away from winning, because some purists got pissed off. Instead this country got fucked with Nixon.

Sorry, but the primaries are done. McCain will appoint more Scalias. Obama won't. Case fucking closed.

Goood to know.

of republican shit. The US is already in a very deep hole and will require a lot of effort to recover.
Bush has been such a malicious idiot, and I believe he will continue to be as destructive as he can be till he no longer can.
We need do put forth whatever it takes to elect Obama and take more of the congress.

mark

I don't think this country can survive 4 more years if we lose.

Demand return to paper ballots and method of cross-checking results. It is going to take a grassroots movement in this country to effect change, because the guv'mint isn't going to do it! Check to see what equipment is used in other states and what progress is being made to return to paper ballot voting.
www.blackboxvoting.org

:rofl:

for his leadership, in a very very trying time ahead of us..Nothing is going to go easily or smoothly..and the those on the right are not going to turn out and love us or say.. you know, you were right all along..they are going to fight tooth and nail as they go down the hole..

don't come whining back to DU in February of next year.

or Iran - or some other pitiful country that hates us & has oil.

oh, yes, indeed. I'll risk a tombstone for this one.

sorry about that...

Modern liberalism has become about being personally right rather than getting results, let alone fighting as though our lives depended upon it. That is why the "we must vote Obama" as the one-size-fits-all answer to all problems is not really a call to action as claimed, nor a test of commitment or loyalty, but quite the opposite - an excuse and an easy way out. Under the guise of asking for loyalty and commitment, the loyalty test people are actually demanding that we limit our commitment and see everything in terms of "personal choices" and "personal values." That is just the liberal version of Reagan era bootstrap individualism and "personal responsibility" - libertarianism with an "organic" label slapped on it for the sake of appearances.

"Being right" in a personalized way and so being able to feel self-righteous and wash our hands of civic responsibility is the consolation prize in politics. I strongly suggest we stop settling for it.

"I am voting for Obama" as though that were the ultimate personal sacrifice or effort anyone could imagine "so I have done my part and who cares what happens, I will have been right."

Nothing has changed over the decades about the right wing agenda. There plans and goals are the same as they have always been. What has changed is that the opposition to them has almost collapsed, and the thinking I described above is the foundation of reasons for that collapse. That is why we are in the crisis we are in - not because of "Bush" or the media nor because the people are stupid - but rather because of the absence of any serious and committed opposition.

What I meant was it's not that I don't give a shit, what I meant was, if some how McCain pulls a victory out of all this, none of us have a bad thing to worry about because all of us have done the right thing all around.

Of course, it will be a frightening thing and something to be troubled about, but it is nothing to be ashamed about or disappointed about.

When I see and hear Obama, I have this feeling that this time around there is a an opportunity to elect a person that just might possibly be able to lead this country in ways we have not seen before and it is a shame for it to be missed with this election.

But if he does not win, it will be something to remember and nothing to feel badly about.

Sorry for the confusion.