Okay, who's on your Obama VP short list?

Mine is,

1) Wes Clark
2) Bill Richardson
3) John Edwards

Mine is,

1)John Edwards
2)Dennis Kucinich
2)Jim Webb

plus Jim Webb.

I think it will be Clark.

I don't think he's too popular these days.

Period!

John Edwards

One other is to military and I hate HAWKS and the other
believes in E-Voting and Capital Punishment. :grr:

Edwards would be my pick, from your list.
He has fought for the common person and WON!!

He'll keep fighting for US in the WH!

I disagree about Clark.

And, I don't give a shit about E-voting and Captial Punishment. I'm worried about winning in November. Nothing else matters.

Yes...it does ALL matter...

I'm an American and I have values I want in office!

You don't have values?

Then what do you think you are "winning", then? :shrug:

I agree about Feingold. His picture has been on my posts for at least four years. Is he your only choice. It seems like you want all or nothing.

;)

No more "settling' for whomever, a theme of the Obama campaign, right?

I also want Dennis Kucinich in a WH position... Sec. of Peace?

I think Richardson would be great as Sec. of State! He has a LOT of experience in diplomacy.

Edwards would be the BOMB as the AG!!!!

See? I am thinking ahead! :P

:shrug:

Take it easy. You ain't going to change the world overnight.

:P

You are misinterpreting enthusiasm for being pushy.

I'M EXCITED AT THE PROSPECTS!!! :woohoo:

poor chump didn't know what hit him!

Care to share this bottle of pinot noir with me??

:P

Sure! ;)

Whoever O picks is fine with me.

We MUST win this, and we still can lose it.

mark

He'd be able to do a lot more towards bringing down corrupt companies as AG than VP.

JMO.

I wouldn't be unhappy with Clark or Edwards, though.

Wes Clark went to the top of my list with his remarks about being a POW does not give one foreign policy experience. IMO, he tops McCain by a million miles in this area.

JMHO

I do like your other choices, though. Boxer next for me, after Clark. Webb would be good too, as would Biden. imho.

A total liberal fighter for what is RIGHT for America and against (bush) and all that
is wrong for America. She'd be a great caretaker of our beloved Constitution, as well.

I agree! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

1) Wes Clark (military counterbalance)
2) John Edwards - sentimental choice with Clark as Sec. of Defense
3) Evan Bayh (centrist and would swing Indiana)

:grr:

They want the best chance at getting a Democrat in the WH. What are you trying to do? Do you want to actually win, or is it just a matter of getting the right peeople to run?

What the hell!! You're making a fool of yourself.

Hence, my response.

Are you and I reading the same replies? :rofl:

:rofl:

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:grr:

We don't need a general in the WH!

:silly:

I assume you know that he spoke out against going to war with Iraq. Maybe you don't know that Senator Paul Wellstone is quoted having said about General Clark; "I've finally found my General".

Here is how a man who knows that War is Hell speaks and acts. Let me pull a few quotes from the blog I used to keep about Wes Clark. I think they speak to some of the character assasination of him being attempted by some on this thread:


January 11, 2007:

Last night, while sitting in the rabid FOX’s den, Wes Clark said this to Bill O’Reilly:

"What's wrong with this scenario? You talk with Iran, you hold them at bay. One way or another, somehow, western influence seeps into Iran and the people of Iran decide that there's a better way of living, than being under the Ayatollahs. Isn't that a better approach than saying we're going to have to go to war with Iran, definitely?"
http://www.aleftturnforclark.com/2007/01/the_peace_candidate_for_2008.html#more

For those who may be unaware, Wes Clark had been a lonely voice in the wilderness for years preeching for open ended negotiations with Iran. His efforts are easy to document because he made them all in public, trying to reach people with a message of avoiding a military showdown if at all possible. Many of you know that Wes Clark started StopIranWar.com:
http://www.stopiranwar.com / and gathered over 60,000 petition signatures toward that end.

Speaking about Peace, Wes Clark said this, while campaigning for Democrats in New Hampshire in October of 2006:


"We're being set up again, just like we were with Iraq, and what I've found in my life is, generally that if you want a war, you can have one.

Most people are about equally brave, most people will fight. Most people love their families, they love their homes, they believe that whatever they believe in is the single one way to truth, reconciliation and the after life, and most people will fight for it. Most people are not philosophical about it, and whether you're walking into a bar in New York City after the Red Sox have played the Yankees, or whether you're dealing with the Bosnians and the Serbs, or whether you're talking about Christians and Iranians.

People will fight for what they believe in. So if we want a war with a billion Muslims, we can probably have one. I don't think we want one, we certainly don't need one, and we should do everything we can to prevent it. "
http://www.aleftturnforclark.com/2006/12/the_lid_on_pandoras_trunk_stop.html#more


For anyone who really wants to know what Wes Clark thinks about the civilian deaths that happened in Kosovo, I urge you to read this from my blog, where Clark is quoted extensively on the subject:

The Pain That Chicken Hawks Don't Feel
I have met a few progressives who, though they may acknowledge that Wes Clark has progressive views, still have trouble accepting his life time of service in the military. During the 2004 Primaries one supporter of Howard Dean put it to me this bluntly: Doctors heal people, soldiers kill them. Well it is also true some Doctors have killed people, but more important, soldiers have saved lives also, while fighting for things that most of us still believe in. The American Army liberated the Jews from Nazi death camps after all. And I still remember the honor I felt, in the early 1980’s, when I met and spoke with an American citizen who, in the 1930’s, had fought Franco’s fascism during the Spanish Civil War, by volunteering in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade.

What frightens me are the civilian leaders in our nation who cling to power by brandishing a rhetorical sword, who deploy our armed forces like toy soldiers in a sand lot, with little or no gut understanding of what an act of war really looks like, and what the human repercussions of that act will likely be. This country has chosen leaders like that before. We know them too well.


During the 2006 Congressional elections I was present one afternoon when General Wesley Clark spoke to a predominantly Veterans audience gathered at a VFW Post in New Jersey. He was talking about post traumatic stress, and the treatment many of our veterans who return from war need, but don’t receive. General Clark spoke of the mental stress he experienced himself for years in the aftermath of the combat wounds he suffered in Viet Nam, while acknowledging that his own case was a mild one. That struck home for me, but I found myself overwhelmingly moved when General Clark recalled an experience he had as N.A.T.O. Supreme Commander during the air war in Kosovo.

As I listened I remembered that I had heard this outline before, but this time, standing in front of a crowd of mostly Veterans, there was a little more detail, and a feeling of intimacy that had me riveted. General Clark started by saying this about when he commanded the air campaign against Serbia; “I believe every human life is precious, and I knew when I was doing the bombing in Serbia – I went to bed praying we wouldn’t kill innocent people.”

Clark recalled a specific accident of War, a mechanical malfunction that affected one bombing mission. He described it in detail, he has it all etched into his memory, exactly how the bomb didn’t operate as designed, how targeting failed, the means by which the bomb “broke”, all the where and whys, and exactly what happened as a result. A cluster bomb designed to explode at 200 feet above a military target instead exploded more than a thousand feet above a school yard, and innocent children died. Wes Clark told this crowd I sat in that somehow, by some means that he can’t explain to this day, a Serbian grandfather of one of the children killed managed to get a personal letter delivered to him. “I got a letter from a Serbian grandfather. He said ‘You killed my granddaughter and I will never forget you, and I will kill you for it.’ And I don’t know how I got that letter during a War, but I’ve thought about that a lot, and prayed for forgiveness a lot.”

A man who has had that experience of war will do all in his power to prevent another, if it is at all possible. A man who avoided serving in a war that he supported, may still be itching to fight one; using someone else’s children.
http://www.aleftturnforclark.com/2006/12/the_pain_that_chicken_hawks_do.html#more

Take off the blinders. You're sad.

You too funny :D

1. Schweitzer

2. Webb

3. Richardson

regarding bankruptcy. He's a great guy, I agree... personable but he didn't vote in OUR interests!! :grr:

Might want to look at his long list of achievements instead of concentrating on one compromise senate vote for a bill he didn't sponsor.

Besides, it wasn't "just one little goofball vote" at ALL!! He's ruined people's LIVES!!! :grr:

Schweitzer
Clark
Richardson
Sebelius

OOPS

Del

he needs to choose someone like Kucinich who adamantly supports the provisions of the Constitution above all else.

any of them.

I could be at home with your 3, plus Brian Schweitzer, Kathleen Sebelius, and Tim Kaine. Three Catholics, three governors, three blue Dems in red states.

1) Mark Warner
2) Joe Biden
3) John Edwards

1) Wes Clark
2) Jim Webb
3) John Edwards

Gary Hart. Westerner, non-sitting fmr. Senator. International security chops. Divinity degree.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. It's us versus global warming and I'd want him aboard any effort to bring about meaningful reforms.

Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg. Because she is a total class act.

Barbara Boxer. She'd spook the freeps but my god I love this woman.

Elizabeth Holtzman. Tough-as-nails. Veep? SCOTUS? AG? She's tough AND smart.

Bob Graham. If we're going to do battle in Florida, he's a potent addition to the ticket.

Tom Harkin. Sleeves-rolled-up prairie survivor and possessed of a great sense of humor. He could rough up McCain with a big, genuine smile.

(and just for my pleasure, Kerry or Boxer or Feingold, but this will not happen).

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Joe Biden
Joe Biden
Joe Biden
Joe Biden


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Joe Biden

But really I want Obama to pick who he thinks he needs most to do what has to be done. I'll be most happy if it's Wes, but my vote is for the Obama ticket whatever that turns out to be. Wes would make a terrific VP, in my opinion. He would also make a terrific many other things in Obama's administration. As long as Wes gets to do something important, something he wants to be doing and is suited for, I'm happy for Wes. Obama/Clark is my dream pick, though.

1. John Edwards
2. Kathleen Sebelius
3. Joe Biden

:)

He is one of the most popular Democrats in Florida. He served as both Governor and Senator from that state, and would definitely put it in our column in November. He was the chairman of the Senate Intelligence comitte, and opposed the Iraq war from the beginning. He balances Obama in every way: regionally, demographically and politically, yet he agrees with the nominee on most issues. He also brings military and foreign policy cred to the ticket Also, perhaps most importantly, his age makes it unlikely he would seek to succeed Obama after 8 years. That gives Hillary, or another strong Democrat, a shot after Obama leaves office. In fact he may only wish to serve one term, giving BO a chance to groom someone else as a successor.

Bob Graham!!!

Wes Clark
Bill Richardson
Bob Graham

Blanche Lincoln
Mark Pryor

Clark or Edwards.

In no order:

Richardson Clark and Hillary.

1) Bill Richardson
2) Wes Clark
3) Jim Webb

and actually Biden is looking better and better everyday so he would be my fourth pick

Schweitzer, Clark, Kaine

Clinton, Sebelius, and Edwards would be the next best.

1. Kathleen Sebelius
2. Blanche Lincoln
3. Bob Graham

and could swing AR

There's nobody that I'd really like in that position that I'd want to play second-fiddle to Obama, to have to set aside their better positions to support his.

I'd like it if he didn't pick a republican, or a republican-like, blue dog "new" dem, but that's probably too much to hope for.

Bottom of the list: Tie between Biden and Nunn. :puke:

However, if we just keep the war voters off the ticket and it will be fine.

I read some good arguments for Webb on a previous thread. And some good arguments for others, too. This kind of discussion of very helpful to me. Thanks.

1. Clark
2. Gore
3. Webb
4. Richardson

Edit: add Richardson

...that's it...just Schweitzer.

Boxer or Graham could very well help Obama carry FL, as well as in other venues (especially Boxer for the latter)

Sebelius. WOOT.

:shrug:

Hasn't he done enough damage kissing the CC corporations asses?

1.) Clinton
2.) John Edwards
3.) Biden

I'd also be open to a completely out-of-the-box, nonpolitician, non-Washington choice. One idea I offer:

Wendy Kopp, Founder of Teach for America, a national service corps to provide better teachers for disadvantaged students




These might not be the most electable choices, but they are my dream list. If I'm going to dream, might as well dream big. :7