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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:09 PM
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So much for stripping telecom immunity from FISA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3496764


Yesterday, the House passed a “compromise” wiretapping bill that “condones the actions of telecommunications companies that cooperated with illegal warrantless surveillance after 9/11 by virtually assuring the dismissal of the dozens of lawsuits pending against them.” While indicating his “support” for the bill, Sen. Barack Obama said he will “work in the Senate to remove” the provision granting retroactive immunity to the telecoms. In an interview with Bloomberg TV, Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) said he will “try to have a separate vote on immunity.” “Probably we can’t take that out of the bill, but I’m going to try,” he said.

Harry Reid says he's going to try to have a separate vote on immunity. The SENATE MAJORITY LEADER is going to try to have a vote.

:cry:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:10 PM
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1. If only we had a marjority in both chambers..
oh wait, we do. :mad:
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:11 PM
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3. But wai they need 2/3rds majority now! Or else the big bad republicans will harm them!
Cowards!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:11 PM
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2. Ya who cares on the fact that the entire bill is bullshit.
Why don't we see some spine democrats!?
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:13 PM
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6. Why? Because they are collaborators. Doing what they are paid good money to do.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:19 PM
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10. Well their collaboration is destroying grassroots support for the democrats so I hope they are happy
Fucking cowards
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:12 PM
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4. Do we have a veto-proof majority and do we even have a majority with Lieberman voting with the GOP?
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:13 PM
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7. Do we have a Congressional leadership that has the slightest clue what they're doing?
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:12 PM
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5. Reid is so fucking weak.
"Probably we can't take that out of the bill, but I'm going to try" ???

How weak and smarmy is that????

Ugghhh.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:13 PM
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9. It ain't just Reid who's weaker than a limp noodle.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:13 PM
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8. keyword "try".....it ain't gonna happen
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:35 PM
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11. Aye lets hope that Obama, Clinton, and some of the other possibly good senators team up to fillibust
Shut down this bill!
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:38 PM
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12. Sadly, it looks like a filibuster is out of the question
The House's passage of the FISA Amendment bill marks the beginning of the end to a monthslong standoff between Democrats and Republicans about the rules for government wiretapping inside the United States. The Senate was expected to pass the bill with a large margin, perhaps as soon as next week, before Congress takes a break during the week of the Fourth of July.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25279676/

I don't have a link to a head count or anything, but this isn't the only news story I've read that talks about the large margin of support for the bill in the Senate. I have next to no hope of a filibuster being able to succeed.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:47 PM
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13. I dont care what is expected I want the unexpected from Obama.
Fillibuster this POS
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:50 PM
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14. If the votes for cloture are already lined up, a filibuster would be useless
A completely pointless gesture. I don't know, maybe symbolism is all we have left.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:59 PM
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15. Lets see. I admit I am a gullibule idiot for having hope that the senate may stop it but its all
I have left.

If this passes the only thing I can do is appeal to the president to veto it which is like asking the moon to leave orbit. But again all I got left.

If this passes we lose the 4th amendment and that is that for me and politics.
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rusty fender Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 03:35 PM
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16. Harry Reid could put a stop to this bill with the snap of his fingers!
He's the freakin' majority leader!
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