Obama: I'll Fight To Strip Telecom Immunity From FISA

Not agreeing with his stance on this bill and/or contacting him to let him know you don't agree and trying to persuade him to vote differently is understandable, reasonable and justifiable. Saying you will not support him any longer financially or refusing to work for his election in any way because of his stance on this is incomprehensible, senseless, counterproductive and indefensible.

I'm pretty mad at him right now; I'm going to take a timeout.

This is a pretty neat statement; if he votes for the bill, and then if his effort to take the provision out, via an amendment fails, then the net result will be one vote closer to passage of an odious bill. That won't make me happy, and I sent him an email expressing my displeasure. It does make me happier, however, that he has promised to keep a close eye on the program. There is no doubt in my mind, given that he was a ConLaw instructor at a prestigious university, in tandem with his apparently sincere expression of high regard for our Constitution, that he will be a far better monitor than any Rethuglican or NeoCon.

I will, of course, vote for him in November.

His stance on FISA is going to make a lot of people angry - and we all know we can not expect to agree with everything any politician does. However, we must never forget the most important thing of all: Dem control of the White House and Congress come January 2009.

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Will you be donating to his campaign? Volunteering?
I do hope the answer is yes to all the above.
And thanks for the contact info! :hi:

ignoring certain core principles of mine because this country is in such grave state and too many people don't have lifeboats. I've also donated the extremely painful amount of $4,600 to Barack and fought with my own mother over him.

Right now, I'm taking a small breather from cheerleading until I see the FISA vote but I certainly intend to stick to my original plan of voting for him and encouraging others to do the same. How enthusiastically my passionate self can do that is up to how much Obama can reinvigorate my belief that the change he represents is more than just not being Bush or McCain.

I sincerely hope to be back in the saddle before the week is up and thank people like you for keeping a more positive outlook. We can't afford not to stomp their asses in November. I have a feeling I'll feel like I'm on more solid ground next week.

I guess my answer to all the above is yes :) I'd just like to be as enthusiastic as I normally am. :hi:

Very extremely absolutely fair! :D

I hope it all works out well - I don't know if he can get the immunity out of the bill, but I do hope he does whatever he can. And, I have faith in him that he will continue to work for what's right once he's president.

Glad to have you on his team - you're an articulate, smart and principled person - and obviously fair! :hi:

Thanks for the compliments, I'm not sure I deserve them on a board where there are so many great supporters. And these principles? I wish I could sell them back to the devil ;)

When Obama's sworn in I want to beam with pride and spend an exhuberant 8 years watching our country better itself and knowing less people will hurt as a result of our hard work. I started reading "Dreams of My Father" and believe Obama is an extremely decent man with great intention. Maybe I need to get off the net for a week and finish reading it. Or better yet, finally read "The Audacity of Hope".

I'm glad we're all a team. In this confusing moment, I'm very grateful to more positive Obama supporters and also grateful to the vast majority of former Clinton supporters here who have tempered their criticism by directing it at Congress in general and not Obama or his original supporters.

:hi:

Don't know how I put it down to log online! :D

I'm sure his US Senate office would be glad to hear from you, but normally they give first priority to call from their own constitutes.

This goes without saying, but you should also be contacting your own US Senator if you feel strongly about this.

It isn't coming out folks. He also sold us out.

A little premature. Or perhaps you don't understand what past tense means?

Obama Supports FISA Legislation, Angering Left
By Paul Kane
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) today announced his support for a sweeping intelligence surveillance law that has been heavily denounced by the liberal activists who have fueled the financial engines of his presidential campaign.

he hasn't voted yet you know. Of course if you just want to piss and moan that's understandable.

:patriot:

If you read the text from the link, it refers to Obama's support of Dodd's filibuster LAST YEAR, not what his intentions are now. Amato (the author) says, "So far we’re only getting silence. I contacted the campaign and I’m waiting for a quote." This was as of Friday.

NOBODY has talked about a filibuster on this vote, including Dodd, Feingold, etc.

The reference you -- and MoveOn keep pointing to is a statement he made about Dodd's February filibuster.

We're just going to have to wait and see what happens.

This election is not about a sweeping change to progressive government. It is not a clear undoing of all bad policy and wrong institutional and political directions reaching back into the nation's long record of flaws and devolution instead of revolution. It is not lead by a stark revolutionary type but instead by someone who will continue to skate with some degree of assurance over shaky surface of democracy.

He is an honest and decent and enlightened public servant. The long decades of deception and institutions that one becomes immersed in by joining has brought some gratuitous and unnecessary sincere remarks about the passe nature of unions, the intention to take all the dangerous proven ills of the system and promise to use them more wisely, less divisively(from renegade tyranny to benevolent despot models?). Given the state of national corruption and brainwashing this maybe the pragamtically biggest step the nation as a whole can make forward, but it can only be a beginning.

The dangers will not go away. FISA itself and the fear games of bipolar authoritative manipulation wear unnecessarily bad to begin with. McGovern to some extent had promised to face some of them boldly, whether or not that was a significant part of his demise. Now that all the crap has been metathesized deliberately by Bush in breathtaking ugliness and supreme Revelation, it has won a beach head because no one "dares" the connection the depth and the radical nature of the problem. We have had radical application of bad policy. radical solutions are not even permitted yet to be imagined- though WE do.

I applaud the baby steps and the inauguration of just people and the excitement and commitment of so many citizens. We will have great work but no room or justification for relaxed self-satisfaction or defensiveness about mistakes and inadequacy or ease in dealing with the persistence of the unindicted media and GOP crime machine. We should not be divided by disappointment or discouraged by shortcoming that we should all of us know full well were it not for natural sentiment and loyalty to party leadership.

The party leadership in essence is scarily inadequate, harshly divided on how to deal with clear threats and shortcomings of a criminal overthrow of our democracy and means of promulgating information. We certainly know the blue dogs, whatever, have a disastrous politically stupid approach to their own enemies that has no bearing on anything but the ignorance of the population segment that they supposedly represent. We know that new progressives are swallowed up into the well meaning impotence of their forerunners. Everyone has a long way to go and a see-saw with the dictatorship and war headed GOP is not an acceptable element in the development of the party into something better- into plain old survival of humanity.

Obama is not going to become a monster, hypocrite or destroyer every time an unsurprising but dismaying show of the general characters mix of party leadership comes up. he will not just wave a wand and save the day. He will open doors to the possible and the best possible must be democratic, populist, progressive and heroically compassionate idealistic. That will then be OUR responsibility, a weighty one that must measure cheap impotent flames against whitewashing dangerous shortcomings. We will feel some of the weight of the presidency itself on our ranting shoulders for a change and it won't be pure or easy. It will demand we put up or shut up.

There are people for whom the door to dictatorship has been revealed and who want to make an enormous amount of fame and money and basically want to lord it over the suffering of humanity who won't be so innocently discouraged.