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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:01 AM
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JOE BIDEN v LINDSEY GRAHAM on MTP
Gooooo BIDEN!
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:07 AM
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1. I thought Joe Biden did a great job--as usual
And I liked Brian Williams. He said at the beginning of the show that Timmy had already prepared the show and they just followed Timmy's format.

Biden pretty much said he would not be VP.
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:10 AM
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2. It's not on here for another 20 minutes - worth watching?
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:17 AM
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4. so far yes...
graham trues to say obama has sold out to unions because he would re-negotiate NAFTA, biden slaps him back by saying its about caring for the american people if the treaty is not good for americans and the middle class...and that every treaty has a provision that says the american president can do this.

BAM!
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:34 AM
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15. Just turn the sound down and avert your eyes when Williams reads the David Brooks snip. n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:21 PM
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42. Wasn't that a real prize of right-wing propaganda crap?
I guess Williams wanted to show he was "unbiased"?? :-(
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:16 AM
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3. Joe was great.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:24 AM
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5. Its just now on here.. what a vocal SMAKDOWN by Biden, as usual !
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:25 AM
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8. Biden to Graham's lying: "You're entitled to your own opinion, NOT your own facts." Lindsey just
Edited on Sun Jun-22-08 09:25 AM by K Gardner
nervously scratched his face, LOL !
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:15 AM
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32. OMG
John Harwood just said that in the 2000 elections a third party candidate made a difference.

Yeah you ass. They make a difference when they can be used to f*ck over the Democrat.
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ReverendDeuce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:24 AM
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6. Just watching it here now... Biden is handily winning the discussion... BIDEN for VP!
Go Joe!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:26 AM
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9. Yep. Biden can out-match even the best opponent, so it figures he'd
tear Lindsay Graham to bits.


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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:24 AM
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7. Big oil already has access to millions of acres of off shore drilling...
AND THEY ARE NOT EVEN USING IT

this issue is a red herring!

BIDEN...you are entitled to your own opinion not your own FACTS!
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ReverendDeuce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:30 AM
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10. Biden rattles off quotes from Generals in Iraq... Graham's answer: "That's not what Petraeus says."
LOL... Graham... who is this n00b?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:32 AM
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11. And Biden quotes Petraeus and smaks him down again, LOL !
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ReverendDeuce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:33 AM
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13. He's GREAT! I was just going to come and post that... LOL
n/t
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:07 AM
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26. In spite of two brain surgeries, Biden has the best memory of anybody
I've ever seen. He's incredible. Don't mess with Biden. He's a freakin' encyclopedia. :wow:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:33 AM
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12. There could be a lot of very conservative business people listening to
a program like this and thinking to themselves, "God, the GOP is going down the tubes."

If they were hiring for competence, energy, and demonstrable command of ideas and issues, they'd hire Biden in a flash and skip little Lindsay.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:34 AM
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16. Mornin' OC ! Biden is certainly a flash of fire, knowledge and inspiration this Sunday morning..
isn't he? This man is THE one to send out as surrogate for ALL these issues. His knowledge and ability to tear down talking points is just refreshing. :hi:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:51 AM
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19. Hey there. You bet. Biden is often too blunt for some
tastes, but he's damned good copy and he puts the Pukes on the defensive on virtually any issue.

:dem: :hi:
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:05 AM
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23. 'TOO BLUNT'
means what? Willing to say the truth? Able to know the truth?

His talk is always polite; it is quick. Is that what gets people? They don't have time to digest all of what Joe says?

Is it the old 'no one ever likes the smartest kid in the class?'

What do folks here think?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:06 AM
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25. I LIKE his being blunt.
He can be even MORE blunt, in fact.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:31 AM
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36. Just blunt enough.
That's how you've got to be when you're sitting next to a rightwing lunatic.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 12:22 PM
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40. LOL! Yes.
:thumbsup:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:19 PM
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41. That is what I like about him...
NO BEATING AROUND THE BUSH...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:35 AM
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17. Little lindsay was pathetic; I'm ticked off about his mention of Cuba and
Russia ((drilling off Cuba) and no one smacking him down for lying. Even Cheney had to eat his words on that one.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:50 AM
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18. Yep. It's a good thing the interview didn't go on any longer, or Biden
would probably have gotten to that, too.

Graham is a loyal McCain hack since 2000, so I'm not surprised he's behaving the way he is, but he's just no match for Joe Biden generally and in foreign affairs especially.


:thumbsup: :hi:
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ReverendDeuce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:34 AM
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14. Biden said it! If asked to be VP, he'd accept!
And gave some great reasons.

Of course he says he told Obama that he doesn't want the job... But we all know what that is about... ;)
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:57 AM
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22. I love Biden
He was my first choice. I hope he's the VP choice and I hope he accepts.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:52 AM
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20. HA! Obama didn't hold sub-committee hearings because Biden (the CHAIR of the SFRC) held
full committee meetings....eat that Sen. Graham!!! :bounce:

Biden for VP
Biden for Sec. of State
Biden for ANYTHING to keep him up front and center in the Obama Administration!!

:loveya:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:10 AM
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29. At that moment, didn't you hear Graham's foot going squarely into his lying mouth???
It was a thing of beauty!!!!

:rofl:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:18 AM
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33. It's all about talking points w/the GOPers
get the 'repeat repeat' lines out - doesn't matter what the truth is. Biden just slapped him w/his responses. We need to remember what Biden said for when any RNC liars try those talking points out in public we can made them look as bad as Biden made Graham look. (I know, won't be too hard).
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:53 AM
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21. I thought Williams was dishonest in setting up the first question about campaign financing
Edited on Sun Jun-22-08 09:56 AM by high density
Obama's camp supposedly did attempt to come to an agreement with McCain's camp about financing. McCain's camp then says, "No they didn't!" Who am I supposed to believe, and why does Williams automatically assume McCain is the side to believe?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:09 AM
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27. It's the stance all the MSM has taken
Just like they've been saying that since Obama ONLY raised $22 million he's becoming lack-luster in his fundraising abilities - ignoring that he STILL outraised McCain (McCain raisng $21 million - the largest amount he's ever raised) :crazy:

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:06 AM
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24. Joe Biden for VP! Anybody who can give Lindsey Graham the smackdown
like that needs to OUR attack dog.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:10 AM
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28. 12 min. on Obama CFinance/ O min. McCain Campaign illegalities.
All you need to know.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:11 AM
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30. Very true
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:12 AM
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31. Lindsey is good at being glib. Biden is good at being Brilliant.
Biden for VP!!!! :bounce:
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:28 AM
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34. Graham's talking points...
Ok for Republicans to change their position (Graham on offshore drilling due to $4/gal gas), NOT ok for Democrats to change their positions (insert anything they make up here) because they only do it because they (Obama) will say anything to get elected.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:31 AM
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37. Biden should've joked that $4/gal gas changes the reason for public financing
All politicians "flip flop" and I think nobody cares about public financing except the Republicans and talking heads making an issue out of it.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:29 AM
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35. Lindsey is getting spanked on his offshore drilling statements...
...as well as being a blowhard on the campaign finance reform issues.

I'd bet his constituents aren't too happy with him flip-flopping on his position on offshore drilling in North Carolina. Do you think Repugs with beachfront property in Nags Head want a big oil drill to watch while they sip their Sazeracs?

Good Loord, no!
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:35 AM
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38. Biden made Lindsey look like a slimeball ass ..... as usual. n/t
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:48 AM
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39. Graham was disgusting, all he could do is call Obama names, would not discuss any issue
which is exactly what Obama is saying is wrong with politics. Biden stuck to the issues instead of name calling.

What surprised me was how angry Graham got, not at anything Biden said but he worked himself into a tizzy over what a politician Obama is. I thought he was going to take his shoe off and start pounding it.

They can't talk about the issues so they talk about how all Obama wants is to win.

Creepy.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:36 PM
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43. Graham really is the best the GOP can do. He's pathetic. What a 2nd grader.
If that's their best, Please, don't show me the mediocre ones.
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