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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:31 PM Original message |
How many Presidents have lied us into war? |
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loveable liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. Lyndon Johnson did... |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I would agree with that. nt |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. I will also agree with that. |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. And add Kennedy then |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. Lots of 'em |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. So here is the list so far. Eisenhower, Johnson, Polk, Bush I, Bush II, Reagan |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Bush 1? |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. do a little reading. it's a tad more complicated than that |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Panama |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
44. A little help for you. |
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klook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
51. Google search terms for you: Iraq "April Glaspie" (eom) |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
53. The BS about the incubator babies, the risk to his buddies the Saudis, etc. |
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unapatriciated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
72. two words...... |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
55. the primary reasons for going to war with iraq at that time were TRUE. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
5. Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson also... |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Wilson - The War to End All Wars |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
6. McKinley (sort of) |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. McKinley sounds like the Democratic congress. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Actually he did his duty constitutionally |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Good Point. nt |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Hearst was the Rupert Murdoch of his time, eh? |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. Indeed he was |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
54. Essentially true |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
8. how many wars have we had? Even the really necessary ones like |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. If you look at history |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
9. American Wars |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Thats a good summary. Thanks for putting that together. |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Well, there is some debate over |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I agree some debate |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Yeah, and we thought we'd beat them without much effort |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. We always think we are invincible |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. If it weren't for the Battle of New Orleans |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. We also wouldn't have had Andrew Jackson |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:16 AM Response to Reply #26 |
57. and we'd have never had Jackson_Dem |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. Good point |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Maybe we could change the national anthem then |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. That has to be from the Tennessee Ernie |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. don't forget all the ''little'' wars, the Grenadas, the Panamas, the |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. In our history |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:00 AM Response to Reply #9 |
56. Hold up. the barbary coast pirates declared war on us? |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
61. Every war is based on lies... |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
19. Spanish-American War |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
21. Grenada and Vietnam come to mind |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Really shouldnt count Viet Nam as Ikes, |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Point |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. True |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
58. Actually we had military advisors |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. Kennedy was pulling our advisors out when he was |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:12 AM Response to Reply #46 |
59. It was Kennedy that raised the number of advisors |
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Buck Laser (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
22. Then there's Reagan and Grenada... |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
34. Do they have to be liars, or can they |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Poor Pennsylvania |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. New amendment. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Don't think its going to be a problem |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. I have been saying that for seven years. |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
37. If you count military advertures as war, then all 43 of them. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:21 AM Response to Reply #37 |
62. Facile AND wrong. Amazing. Yeah, Lincoln "lied" us into the Civil War. |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I guess you forgot "Desert One" |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
40. FDR with Pearl HArbor.. nt |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. The old fascist slander of FDR. |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
66. see my response to the poster underneath nt |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Vague indications that an attack by Japan might be being planned. |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. is it so hard to believe that a president who made one of the greatest overhauls |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:18 AM Response to Reply #40 |
60. That we were attacked is hardly a "lie". BTW~~~I hope you remember to refuse your Social Security. |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. That he was pre-warned is hardly a "lie" either. |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
43. Bush Sr lied about "incubators" the 1st time around in Iraq |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
45. Ray - Gun lied about Panama , Nicaragua ie "Iran Contra" |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. And Ollie North made a career out of it. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-22-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
47. Every 21st Century war is still being fought. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:22 AM Response to Reply #47 |
63. Oddly enough, this is only one President (remembering the OP). |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
69. Fuck this. Nobody lied like Bush & nobody deserves prison like Bush....PERIOD. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
71. andrew jackson with his indian wars? |
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