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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:14 PM
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Politico: Three women who might join the GOP ticket (Palin, Fiorina, Hutchison)
Carly Fiorina is considered to be a "success story?"

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Three women who might join the GOP ticket

While the vice presidential slot may be John McCain’s best means of wooing those Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters who remain loathe to embrace Barack Obama, the Republican party is a thin source of politically viable women, leaving McCain with few top-tier options.

The most-mentioned potential running mates — former Republican candidate and Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty — are all men. Yet no clear front-runner has emerged, and there are at least three women McCain might select to fill out the ticket. All three would mark a symbolic turn away from Vice President Dick Cheney, the ultimate D.C. old-boys-club insider.

One obvious choice is Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. She’s as near to Cheney on policy as she is far from him symbolically. Rice, however, has consistently denied interest. While such denials are par for the course for prospective veeps, if Rice is indeed out of the mix, that would leave McCain with three other likely female running mates to consider:

Sarah Palin

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin may be nationally unknown, but in her state she is nothing short of a political phenomenon.

Carly Fiorina

Carly Fiorina has an up-by-her-own-bootstraps success story, having worked her way from a start as a young secretary straight through the glass ceiling to become Hewlett-Packard’s chief executive from 1999 to 2005. She presently serves as the chair of the organization tasked by the Republican National Committee with preparing the party’s crucial get-out-the-vote operation. It’s no symbolic post, but a crucial position for a party facing an uphill presidential contest.

Kay Bailey Hutchison

Last week Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas, the longest-tenured female Republican senator, joined McCain for a fundraising sprint in the Lone Star state. Hutchison, who until recently headed the Senate Republican Conference, now serves as chairwoman of the Republican Policy Committee, two top Beltway party posts.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11258.html



From left to right, Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, former HP CEO Carly Fiorina, and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:15 PM
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1. Fiorina would, at best, be given a cabinet post
there's nothing to recommend her for the VP position.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:17 PM
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2. Why would anyone give those 3 dried out chicken heads the time of day?
Because they have money.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:24 PM
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3. Palin just had a sick child, so she's likely out of the running
I think Bailey might be pro choice as well, which scores her out.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:26 PM
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4. No, Hutchison
is not pro-choice. Has a 7% lifetime rating from NARAL.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:27 PM
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6. I'm sure she's described herself as a libetarian on the issue
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:33 PM
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10. Doesn't matter
Anything short of 100% unconditional Pro-Life record is required by the "base" McCain has that and they still don't trust him

With McCain's already growing problems there she would be a hard sell.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 07:43 PM
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25. She's semi-pro-choice
She did vote for a resolution affirming support for Roe v. Wade in 2004. But she has voted for most restrictions.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:27 PM
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5. Her son has Down's Syndrome, he's not "sick".
The real issue with Sarah(as everyone here calls her, like her or not) is that Alaska has only three electoral votes which the GOP will still most likely take no matter what. Sarah Palin doesn't have enough national prestige to help McCain.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:29 PM
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8. Well, obviously the child will need more attention and care, so it might be difficult to do that and
Edited on Sun Jun-22-08 06:30 PM by galaxy21
campaign non stop for 3 or 4 months in the run up to the election. It would seem like a very difficult position to put herself in, and I can't think she's that eager to be VP.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:36 PM
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11. All of that is true, but the child's congenital condition should not be described as a sickness.
Many Down's Syndrome people function quite independently as children and grown-ups.

I'm just saying we need to avoid stigmatic language about this.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:44 PM
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14. As a brother of an autistic person
who had many friends with Down Syndrome I grew up with people with Down Syndrome children and have seen them into adults. Down Syndrome children require lots of attention and love as all children but their developmental delays also create additional needs for the family. No Stigma its a fact. It is a genetic disorder however I agree calling a person with down syndrom sick I don't think is appropriate.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:47 PM
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15. As a baby
It won't require more attention than other babies. All babies are helpless and require lots of attention. When the child reaches developmental age it will require more attention and more patience as it will learn slower than other children.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:38 PM
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12. Especially when Mccain came in FOURTH in the primary..AFTER
Romney
Huckabee
Paul
McCain..

:rofl:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 07:00 PM
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21. Very true.
McCain garnered only a little over 2,000 votes here in the Republican "preference poll." He's not a very popular person here.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:40 PM
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13. Regardless of her child having Down Syndrome
I can't imagine my mother or 99% of the mother's I know touring the country when their child was 4 months old.

Being Govenor is one thing at the end of most days you can go home with your Baby. Being a candidate for VP and being VP with a baby are two entirely different things.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 07:07 PM
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22. I'm not disagreeing about the burden Palin would be under.
n/t.
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:28 PM
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7. Not gonna happen. Come on this is John McBush.
He called his wife a C*#@--and is known for ridiculing women. How many elected female senators or representatives have you ever heard associated with this nutjob besides Hillary Clinton? Hell, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Libby Dole and Susan Collins think the man is an absolute crackpot. And Carly Fiorina had a truckload of dirty drawers that shes been hauling around from town to town since HP sacked her ass. Look who the nutjob has had to surround himself with--Lindsey Graham, Joe LIEberman and Charlie Crist. Supposedly even Bobby Jindahl has told his handlers that he is not interested in running with Senior Nutjob. Politico continues to serve a purpose--to lull idiots asleep at night.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:31 PM
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9. Lets see their negative
Hutchinson - while not where a democrat would be on abortion is not a kool-aid drinker and idealoge. She supports "some" abortion rights but also supports parental notification. I also believe she wishes to be Govenor of TX not VP of the US. She's 65. Making her 69 if she were to run for President in 2012 and 73 if she would run in 2018.

Carly - do they really want to bring a poster child for golden parachutes and corporate greed onto the ticket. 22 million was her retirement package for 5 years of service at HP.

Palin - She is the cleanest as far as Rebuke fundy beliefs however she has a very youn baby with a disability. I can't see a Mother leaving her child for the campaign trail.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:48 PM
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16. Regarding Fiorina, too: She slammed HP into the side of a mountain,
a company that was very successful and well-respected for its ability to be both profitable and treat its employees fairly.

Fiorina quote: "Americans feel they have a god-given right to a job. They don't."

That's not gonna play well with the Republican grassroots already pissed at McCain over immigration...

I certainly hope McCain and his team choose her, oh, yes, ooooooooooooh, yeeeeessss...





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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:54 PM
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18. Yep
Edited on Sun Jun-22-08 06:57 PM by Jake3463
and she was part of the Lucent Kabul that sank that Company as well. She was 3 years before the fall but she was part of that disgusting management team as well.

My Dad worked at Lucent for 35 years to be escorted out after being forced to accept "early retirement" in 2001 because of the financial shape they hat gotten themselves into through fradulent revenue recognition. Didn't even give him time to get the pictures off his desk. 35 years and he was sent packing in an undignified way. Didn't even have the decency to throw him a retirement party his friends had to do it 3 weeks later and he was management.

Promised him verbally Healthcare till 65 when he was covered by Medicare than reneged a year later. My first lesson that all corporations are evil.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 07:35 PM
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24. Snippets of an interesting 2005 article on Fiorina
The Death of a CEO

How the Lack of a Critical People Skill Contributed to Carly Fiorina's Failure

02/22/2005 by Rob Enderle

http://www.technologypundits.com/index.php?article_id=57



When Carly, who was represented as somewhat of a marketing expert, started at HP she almost immediately alienated some of the most powerful reporters in the industry. She did this by denying interviews to people who didn’t want to tell the story she wanted to tell, a story that they apparently weren’t interested in. Instead they wanted to focus on the uniqueness of being the most powerful female executive in the world that wasn’t a queen and, as a result, these reporters got the impression she was illegitimate royalty and a problem that needed to be fixed. If she had only realized that letting them tell their stories would have allowed her to build relationships that would eventually benefit her own efforts she would have likely behaved differently but that was not the case and this came back to haunt her during her biggest project and when her career at HP ended.

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Carly won the fight (the HP / Compaq merger) but at such a cost that many feel she was a crippled leader from then on. Constant reports of HP employee dissatisfaction leaked out of the company and the proxy fight polarized the employee and investment base forcing many to choose sides against HP’s CEO. Painful leaks haunted her from then on as those that were against her inside the company aligned with reporters outside the company to take shots at her at almost every opportunity.

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The firing of three key executives, one of which had been covering up critical problems, made many doubt Carly really was running the company and once again focused the outside world on her leadership skills. People, or more accurately, her inability to understand and deal with them effectively had once again caused her to look inept in her role as CEO.

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Being able to motivate, understand, manipulate, drive, and anticipate people is a critical skill to any executive, particularly a CEO. As this example showcases not having that skill can be mitigated for a time but the end, in my experience, has always been the end of a promising executive career. Carly could have gone on to politics, to another more powerful position, or to virtually anything she wanted to do had she just understood the people critical to her better. She could have even delegated much of this to another and was given the unusual opportunity to do this had she accepted this as a shortcoming she needed to mitigate.

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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:49 PM
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17. The AK Governor actually seems like a good pick
but McCain would probably never go for it instead tapping JOEMENTUM. Heard it here first.

Carly Fiorinia CEO, Disaster??? The author should be ashamed for mentioning her.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:56 PM
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19. She has a 2 month old baby
Would your mother leave you at 2 months to tour the country than take a job that requires constant international travel during your earliest years?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:57 PM
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20. I doubt that Sarah will leave Alaska
She's got her hands pretty full here, and why would anyone want to leave a place where they have an 85% approval rating?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 07:28 PM
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23. Oh let it be KBH. That one is
as dumb as a stump. And that's giving stumps a bad name. She's one of the most ineffective communicators in the senate, she's from a reasonably safe R state, and she'd be an astonishingly bad first major decision by McCain.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 07:55 PM
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26. I am very concerned about Hutchison. There are some polls out there that show
pro-choice women who supported Hillary don't know what McSame's position is on choice. If they want to see a woman and he chooses Hutchison, could that give them more of a reason not to support Obama?
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 08:10 PM
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27. I think he should choose Guiliani
but make Giuliani campaign in drag.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 08:34 PM
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28. LOL....I get a laugh everytime I see that dude in drag....WTF?
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