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scrappydo Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:19 PM
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FISA: Fillibuster in the works!
Senators Dodd, Feingold, and even dear old Reid are on board!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/24/dodd-and-feingold-try-to_n_108963.html

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/24/193228/161/634/541437
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:22 PM
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1. Wow, the Democrats are listening to us!
I know it's a shock after such a long period without representation, but there it is. :bounce:
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:17 PM
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31. Hogwash.
This is a charade.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:22 PM
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2. Great news.
Thanks for posting this.
:toast:
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scrappydo Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:28 PM
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7. You are welcome!!!!
:)
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:23 PM
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3. Obama should support it.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:25 PM
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5. Don't worry, he'll co-sponsor.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 11:15 PM
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41. co-sponsor what?
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scrappydo Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:26 PM
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6. I do not know how reliable the source is (HuffPO)....
but a blogger there says Senator Obama has signed on as a co-sponsor ..... I have found nothing yet to substantiate that claim. Still searching.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:30 PM
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10. I hope this true scrappydo..
and welcome to DU:)
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scrappydo Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:34 PM
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14. Thank You! My pleasure!
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:29 PM
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9. I was told by my congressman
That Obama would sponsor the amendment.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:45 PM
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19. Thanks, lojasmo!
Wow!
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:02 AM
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43. Makes political sense.
He can and should try to stop telecom immunity if possible... sponsoring something designed to do that has no negatives for the election.

It can also help him when he ultimately votes for the FISA bill even if the amendment fails - because he's going to have to if he doesn't want to campaign against a "vote against american security" now until november. He can attempt to differentiate voting for fisa and opposing telecom immunity.

Too bad the whole bill sucks though. :(
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:24 PM
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4. Watching Dodd on CSPAN2 now --
HOW DID THIS BEIGIN WITH NO FANFARE?

I had no idea this was happening now until alycedouglas posted it!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:28 PM
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8. Doing what Pelosi could have stopped
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:31 PM
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11. Reid could hold the legislation up for the rest of the session if he wanted to
He's the Majority Leader and he controls the calendar. IMO the amendment to get strip telecom immunity won't get 60 votes and they will vote on the damn thing anyway.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:33 PM
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13. Go Harry ! Go Harry!
It's your birthday!

:bounce:
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scrappydo Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:37 PM
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15. A filibuster is one way to kill the bill...
....at least the Dems are giving it a try instead of standing idly by and doing nothing! :thumbsup:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:40 PM
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16. You need 41 votes for a filibuster, I guarantee you they don't have 41 votes
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scrappydo Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:46 PM
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20. Come on, Hippo_Tron.....
The Senators are giving it a shot - say a prayer or two for them...they need all the support they can get. Besides, watching a filibuster is an amazing event. C-SPAN2 running with Dodd right now - he is setting things up.....
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:48 PM
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How do you know that?

Are you basing that on some previous vote or ??
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:49 PM
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26. The previous filibuster vote for FISA.
Edited on Tue Jun-24-08 08:51 PM by Mass
The bill was even worse, but it still passed. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00019
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:08 PM
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30. The majority party doesn't filibuster legislation like this
Party leaders and the White House have been negotiating this bill for months. If they are even bringing it to the floor it means that Reid cut a deal and can deliver enough Democrats to get 60 votes for cloture at the end of the day. He only needs 10 given that the Republicans + Lieberman will all vote for it.

The best hope is that they get 60 votes to strip telecom immunity. But that will probably lead to a veto and the issue will be brought up again closer to November.

If Reid and Pelosi were serious about defeating this, there would be no telecom immunity in the House version of the bill.
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scrappydo Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:33 PM
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12. Oregon's Ron Wyden will Fililbuster also.
:bounce:
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:43 PM
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17. If he filibusters this bill then you folks should work your hearts out for him
A filibuster will give the GOP more ammo to go after Obama to target the LIV.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:48 PM
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22. Don't worry we/they will.
The repubs are wrong.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:49 PM
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24. The LIV dont know that.
Obama's filibuster will hurt his numbers. Those who cried foul better go out and win him some votes.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:41 PM
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33. Damnit do the right thing in spite of the votes. nm
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:51 PM
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36. We need to win the fucking election
Again if I was not clear

WE NEED TO WIN THE FUCKING ELECTION
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 10:08 PM
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37. You would have loved living in the Weimar Republic I think!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 11:32 PM
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42. That's the thinking that made Sen Clinton vote to support Bush's war.
She didn't do the right thing, she voted to look patriotic and win an election. Too many have the attitude that once they get into office they must stay, and therefore they behave to stay in office, to win elections, not to do the right thing.

Always stick to your principles, and if you lose so be it. If you sacrifice your principles to win, then we all lose.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:52 PM
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27. Many of us are going to do that anyways
But we aren't going to sit in a puddle of piss in fear and worry about the Republicans ammo with low information voters. The time for fear and risk aversion is over.

They have already convinced the ignorant that Obama is a secret Muslim willing to open the doors for Al Queda to the White House and enslave the white race. Amazingly, Obama is still ahead by 12 points. The politics of fear and division have worn thin.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:00 PM
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29. Amen, Zodiak
Ironfist!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:45 PM
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18. When is the vote? This is what matters. That the cloture vote does not get 60 votes.
Edited on Tue Jun-24-08 08:46 PM by Mass
The speech itself is nice, but does not accomplish anything. We are no more in the Mr Smith's era.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:47 PM
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21. We need new leadership in Congress. Why is this even allowed to come to a vote
Why has Reid even let it come up for a vote? Why did Pelosi let it come up for a vote??
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scrappydo Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:49 PM
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25. That is why we need to get Senator Obama elected!
NEW leadership! :patriot:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 10:11 PM
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38. He is NOT leading by saying Yes to this bill
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 10:45 PM
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39. He hasn't voted yes to this bill
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 11:02 PM
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40. but he did say he would say yes.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:49 PM
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35. I've been asking myself that question the entire time
When you control Congress the entire idea is to NOT force your party's nominee to vote on issues that will force them to choose to pander to their base or pander to the center.

My guess is that Pelosi got pressured into it by the Blue Dogs and other rank and file who want a vote so they can go home and say they are "tough on national security". But I don't see how they could've exerted that much pressure. The majority of the House Dems opposed the bill.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:49 PM
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23. Go Dodd!
The man's got some passion! What a patriot! :patriot:

"Rule of Law." :woohoo:
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:58 PM
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28. K & R!!
Watching Dodd on C-Span2 right now.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:21 PM
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32. Senate adjourned
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:45 PM
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34. Obama is not leading on this fillibuster nor is his name on
Edited on Tue Jun-24-08 09:49 PM by rodeodance
as a co-sponser in this articles.
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