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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 07:41 PM
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Glenn Grenwald is being tough on Obama with this...but, it's worth a read...
Edited on Wed Jun-25-08 07:46 PM by KoKo01


UPDATE IV: Greg Sargent reports on Obama's latest FISA comments from today and his explanation as to how he can support a bill with telecom amnesty when he previously vowed to filibuster any such bill. Obama explained, in essence, that he won't jeopardize our National Security in order to hold telecoms accountable under the rule of law ("My view on FISA has always been that the issue of the phone companies per se is not one that override the security interests of the American people"). Apparently, we can't be safe unless we immunize telecoms. Dick Cheney couldn't have said it any better himself.

Obama's comments today will undoubtedly please the likes of this typical anonymous "senior Democratic lawmaker" -- quoted in a Wall St. Journal article documenting Obama's drift to the Right -- who is too cowardly to attach his name to his comments (h/t Matt Stoller):

"I applaud it," a senior Democratic lawmaker said. "By standing up to MoveOn.org and the ACLU, he's showing, I think, maybe the first example of demonstrating his ability to move to the center. He's got to make the center comfortable with him. He can't win if the center isn't comfortable."


That's the sickly mentality dominating the Democratic Party: Democrats must stand up not to George Bush, the Iraq War and rampant lawlessness, but rather, to the ACLU. That's exactly why they are currently in the process of trampling upon core civil liberties and the rule of law. That's how you stand up to the ACLU and show how Tough and Centrist you are.



more about this with links to Obama's former statements and other comments and analysis by folks like Marchy Wheeler, Jane Hamsher, Ron Paul and others about this terrible FISA Vote at.....

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/25/dodd/index.html
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 07:42 PM
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1. It's deserved.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 07:49 PM
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2. I'm tired of capitulating politicians.
Doesn't anybody have a spine anymore? Standing by one's principles always seems to take a back seat to political expediency. I'm really sick of it.

Mandatory disclaimer -- Of course, I'm voting for Obama in November, but he hasn't been doing much to allay my always-present fears that he will be just like all the rest.

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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 07:58 PM
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3. Recommend
Because he's our nominee does not mean he's any less answerable to us, than the Vichy-Dems in the Senate we openly criticize
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 08:25 PM
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4. Good for Glen Greenwald!
I am tired of the Democrats kicking their base to the curb. Barack Obama campaigned more as a populist during the primaries but now he is just another corporatist.

Don't know how enthusiastic I'll be to work for him in the fall. That's where the Dems screw themselves. They kick their base to the curb and then expect them to work the polls, phones and canvass for them.

I wish Dennis Kucinich was our nominee instead of yet another corporate approved candidate.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 09:03 PM
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5. When you start on the right, a move to the right is *away* from the center. n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 09:09 PM
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6. Off to the greatest. Recommend. That was a very good article
I'll watch the videos tonight.

Whatever else is true, if Democrats and Barack Obama vote this bill into law, they will be (a) legalizing warrantless spying on Americans and (b) embracing the core premise of Bush radicalism: that as long as the President says something is legal (as he told telecoms that warrantless spying was legal), then it ought to be treated as such.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 09:26 PM
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7. Only FIFTEEN Dems voted No on Cloture today. We should thank each of them.
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Wyden (D-OR)
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