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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:55 PM Original message |
So Americans have the right to "bear arms" |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. Suggest you read the Heller opinion particularly the part I quote below. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. It only applies to those with guns in their own homes. Right? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. No, see quote below from the opinion. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Where is the rest of the opinion? |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. On the effing internets. Look for it. Make an effort. Lift a finger. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
94. Excuse me! Don't tell me what to do. The person was referring to the opinion as their source. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 06:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
74. Link below. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #74 |
95. Thanks |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
99. Sigh |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
102. So basically its open to interpretation? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yes, the 2nd amendment is safe. And all the gun-wavers did nothing |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I agree. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. absolutely right -- and we can see how their being so heavily armed has kept Bush at bay |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Yep |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
22. You ignore the fact that RKBA is primarily about self-defense and secondarily about defense of state |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Arms don't specifically refer to guns |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I never said arms referred only to guns, and the Heller opinion said: |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. If Heller strictly intpreted the constitution, we should be able to carry grenades or even nukes |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. It's heartening to know that Obama supported a similar ban in Chicago, I dont know why he's changed |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 06:57 AM Response to Reply #26 |
75. I agree re violence. The Constitution protects my right to keep and bear arms, specifically firearms |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
84. Grenades & nukes ... exaggerate much? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #23 |
110. The implication is quite clear though. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
106. I am not ignoring anything. Many of the pro-gun people say that |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
85. No kidding |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
87. Compare Supremes on GITMO vs DC GUN BAN. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
3. How else can we fight the fascist takeover of our country? |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Soo the group that kills the most people wins? |
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populistdriven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
5. no stupid its "Bear Arms" [PIC] |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. ... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. Darn. I thought it meant my bear friends could have arms!! |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. You misunderstood. |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I thought it meant that Men and Women have the right to sleeveless shirts. |
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rwenos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:03 PM Original message |
The right to Arm Bears |
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Clovis Sangrail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. NAPALM!!! Fun for the whole family!! |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
88. I don't think NAPALM is illegal. n/t |
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Middle finga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. I guess now we could get rid of all the courts now... we can all settle |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
14. Non sequitur... |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. We've been enslaved by the Bush Administration |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Were the Bush/Cheney trends to continue for another decade or two, |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. You don't understand |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 07:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
76. Because your Congress has given it to him. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
90. Might be... |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
104. If the US government turned REALLY oppressive |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
15. same right we've always had...nothings changed. |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. true, but with the ruling DC and other areas can exercise those rights |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
21. I dunno, but when do we get to arm bears? |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
25. I'm happy with this decision - now I'll stop getting those whiny letters from the NRA |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
30. Nope |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. My point is that the Second Amendment is bullshit because it's so outdated |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I lived for 10 years in East Palo Alto, CA |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I know it changed very little |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 07:33 AM Response to Reply #31 |
77. Then get off your butt and work for an Amendment to the |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
82. Then the appropriate response to amend the constitution |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
91. The devastation and violence in your community... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
100. You mean Los Angelas, where they are BANNED? nt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
105. We have a process for repealing an amendment, and it's even been done once |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #31 |
109. Then perhaps it should be repealed then. That's really the only Constitutional... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #31 |
111. I lived in a town where virtually everyone has guns, lots of them. |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
35. Actually, it means that |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 12:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I'm sure you do use guns lawfully |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 03:02 AM Response to Reply #37 |
107. Unless you can magically eliminate every gun on Earth, |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
38. If you want to end criminal violence... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
39. yes |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:24 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Read The Constitution again my friend |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. really, you're being silly |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Read a dictionary |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. ok, you've just shown |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. It's not my fault the Supreme Court cant strictly interpret the constitution |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. we are discussing bearing arms |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. I agreed with you |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. which private company makes nukes? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:33 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. from "Who Are They?" |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 07:36 AM Response to Reply #65 |
79. On what website do they have them sale to the public. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. of course |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 07:34 AM Response to Reply #42 |
78. But it is there opinion on the issue that counts. Not yours. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I don't think you read my post |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. The 2nd Amendment says that we have a right to "bear arms." |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. And if you'd READ today's decision |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. 5-4 decision because of a conservative majority |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. What a pointless response |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. here is the deal |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. That's nice |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:44 AM Response to Reply #55 |
67. "that's nice?" |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Because they referred to the 2nd amendment that says Americans have the right to keep and bear arms |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:02 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. so it's complete bullshit because it didn't anticipate future weapons? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. "so it's complete bullshit because it didn't anticipate future weapons?" |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. This is where you're showing ignorance |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:22 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I know |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. you are extremely confused |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Now I'm confused about your post |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:51 AM Response to Reply #52 |
69. I actually see what you're saying now |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:55 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. lol |
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Mr. Blonde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
59. Several comments about your posts here |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. It would definitely take years in order to rid our society of guns |
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Mr. Blonde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. My mother hit 4 of them in the course of about 2 years |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:38 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I've actually had deer meat before |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:55 AM Response to Reply #62 |
70. "It would be a bloody job" |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
68. Maybe you should just GO to Russia, let them know you're in the market for a suitcase nuke, and see |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 04:52 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. You want an Iraq style street war to end gun violence? |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #72 |
98. "Every government that has forcibly disarmed it's people has gone rogue. " |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. It's kind of the blueprint of dictators |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Precisely |
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FlyingSquirrel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 04:54 AM Response to Original message |
73. Zoinks |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
81. I can go to Arkansas and load up my truck with easily converted semi-automatic weapons |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
83. You realize that many progressives DO support the second amendment, right? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
86. Bringing in a suitcase nuke would be a customs issue! |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
89. Discrete vs. non-discrete weapons |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
92. and another graceful loser... |
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Norwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
93. This is a ridiculous post and an absolute strawman |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. The pry them from my cold dead fingers sentiment |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. "All prohibitions are stupid" |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
108. Well, in this economy, I doubt we'll have the right to "bull arms" anytime soon. |
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