Patriotic Americans from the past warn us about secrecy in government.

The Daily Kos diary title catches one off guard and would be deleted here at DU, so I will leave part out. The post makes me feel that it does matter what we say. Telling those who are concerned to hold their tongues may not be the wisest thing.

This post gives me hope that it does matter to speak out.

Calling out purity tr***s by name



I will choose some of the quotes that the poster found on the internet of these guys who actually think it is important to stand for something.



I can not resist just a couple more.



I want to trust our Democrats. I have my doubts about moving right to win at this point in our country. It is a time when even many Republicans have a bellyfull of spying and war and lies.

So I do question the moving right to win. The Democrats will do it, though. It has been instilled in them for decades. They don't know how else to think. It is what they do.



These voices give me hope. They are quite different than ones here today warning us to be silent about things that matter.

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.

-- Abraham Lincoln


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

-- Benjamin Franklin

I have heard them before many times. They just mean so much more right now.

people are accepting it too... that almost makes me lose hope in this country. But then again, I know there are many out there that give a damn too.

If I haven't told you before how much I appreciate you, I'm telling you now. Thank you forever for your posts and please don't ever stop.

Be careful what we say....don't make our candidate look bad.

We are in the minority now.

Just curious.

So they like their freedoms there.


In fact it would be ironic to care about freedoms and get in trouble for that.

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many of us will be happy to.

I will post in GD on other topics.

How does winning feel?

"The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining." --John F. Kennedy

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Do I think that you've lost your sense of perspective? Given that you're likening great American revolutionaries--people who fought, risked their lives, debated, argued, and yes, compromised to change the world--to people who bitch on the internet about a Presidential candidate's meaningless vote on an issue eight degrees removed from their actual lives...yes, yes I'd say you have.

I just said the winners are the silencers. And they are. Read the posts here.

other issue that has been raised this campaign season. Hell, even Rev. Wright is a more important issue; that at least had repercussions involving the real-world problems of adversarial racial identities and tensions.

I take exception with your claim that people who disagree with the ubiquitous FISA-shrieking are "silencers." This is a discussion board. You're allowed to say what you think is important; others are allowed to agree or disagree. If you note some people disagreeing with you, that does not mean that there is a conspiracy to silence you. That means that some people disagree with you.

I guess I will do that to get along, you know.

Suppose there really are some people here who do not want to see things on DU that serve purely to hurt the Democratic party's chances of retaking the White House. Why, exactly, is that:

A. Apparently unexpected on a site for Democratic partisans?
B. So atrocious that you, after having weathered the primaries and the Florida clusterfuck, are unable to continue posting?

It just ain't effing worth it.

Let them do what they want.

Anyone here who speaks out is made to feel guilty.

When the drumbeats start for Iran, I hope some here will speak out.

I won't, not here, not anymore.

We donated proudly to Obama again yesterday. I think if he knew I was called a motherfucker for caring about freedoms, he would be first to be upset.

It is my last on FISA. Others can post if they care. It will go through on July 8, it will be done.

Of course they are the same that way.

Will anyone speak up when the Democrats beat the drums, too.

I won't, not here. Let's let November come before we speak again.

and people live and die. FISA does not affect anything beyond Washington. The recent news about Iranian covert-ops escalation does. They're completely different issues.

You're not going to be able to apply any political force over FISA; Joe Average doesn't give a shit about telecom immunity. Hell, he doesn't even understand what that means. War with Iran, though? That's a different story.

I won't.

All my years of teaching, I was not in the real world. All my years of living, not in the real world.

about FISA anymore.

DU is changing quickly, and tolerance for dissent is going away.