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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:54 AM
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Just because someone went to law school does not mean they will be a good lawyer!
Just because someone went to the police academy, does not mean they will be a good police officer.
Just because someone went to school for education, does not mean they will be a good teacher.
Just because someone went to Vietnam and held as a POW, does not mean they will make a good president.

So, to see people slamming Wesley Clark for his statements about John McCain is ridiculous! Where was this media outrage when John Kerry was being Swiftboated?

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/index.html

"I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility," said Clark, a former NATO commander who campaigned for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004.
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"He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen what it's like when diplomats come in and say, I don't know whether we're going to be able to get this point through or not," Clark said.

Schieffer noted that Obama did not have any of those experiences, nor had he "ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down."

"Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president," Clark said.

In a statement released by the McCain campaign Sunday afternoon, retired Admiral Leighton "Snuffy" Smith criticized Clark's comment.

"If Barack Obama wants to question John McCain's service to his country, he should have the guts to do it himself and not hide behind his campaign surrogates," Smith said.

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:57 AM
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1. Wesley Clark makes a good point...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:00 AM
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6. and it bears repeating
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:59 AM
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2. They're twisting it to be about "questioning John McCain's service"
The RNC put this out yesterday, saying Obama is "allowing his campaign surrogates to demean and attack John McCain's military service record."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080630/ap_on_el_pr/clark_mccain
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 07:00 AM
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3. We should take as serious any comment by someone known as
"Snuffy" Smith?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:06 AM
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8. No...



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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 07:01 AM
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4. heh, snuffy? That's what I call George stephanopoulos sometimes...
At least CNN provided some context, which honestly, makes it clear that Clark tried to be respectful of McCain's military service while questioning whether having served in the military gives someone any more standing on national security than someone who hasn't. McCain's camp went there when McCain issued that snotty reply of Obama criticizing McCain opposing the new GI bill, when he attacked Obama for not having served in the military.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 07:01 AM
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5. McCain made a similar point about Giuliani. He basically said "So you were Mayor on 9/11 and...?"
I think this is a fair line of criticism.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:04 AM
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7. Could you post some links?
Could you post links to where "people are slamming Wesley Clark for his statements about John McCain"?

Thanks!
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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:01 PM
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11. Here are a few links that I have run across.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:47 AM
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9. McCain likes playing the victim by playing up he was victimized
Over and over again he inserts into his speeches that he was a POW. He makes "off-handed comments" (but consistently repeated) about being kicked in the head as the reason he's in politics and the media eats it up. The media, more than anyone besides McCain, needs to protect McCain's "war hero" status.

For one thing, it gives a much needed boost to the GOP with the military because they finally have someone who has seen action in a war. And in some sick way McCain's candidacy helps the GOP torture argument. I mean, McCain was tortured and didn't break. He's braver than the terrorists were allegedly fighting because they eventually break under torture and give us information. Furthermore, McCain was imprisoned and didn't leave when an opportunity allowed him to. He's not like us lily-livered liberals who are asking for Constitutional protections for those held by our government.

Have you noticed how the comparison between Iraq and VietNam have almost disappeared? The media has redirected our attention from how Iraq and VietNam became quagmires and a drain on the lives of our youths and the national budget to McCain was a war hero from VietNam.

Not to mention that McCain likes to play the victim when he's down. He did it during SC in 2000. He accused Bush of going negative and violating rules they had agreed on in regards to staying away from attack ads. McCain got some sympathy when a woman named Duren stood up and said her son had received a nasty phone call about McCain. McCain seized the opportunity to make accusations and look like the good guy who waited before he took the first swing. What was lost in all of this is a follow-up down by the LA Times which revealed that there were no other reports of similar phone calls elsewhere. Somehow, very conveniently for McCain, he was able to get the media to portray him as a victim, when in fact, the phone call may never have happened.

Now, he's getting the media to defend his war hero status without actually looking at what McCain did in the Vietnam War. The media can't talk about VietNam because it would direct the American public's attention back to the war and how we got into it. It might also get people to thinking about the Iraqi citizens as human beings rather than possible terrorists.

I say, way to go Wesley Clark. Thank you for trying to open the dialog.





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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:31 PM
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10. What do you call the guy who graduated dead last from the worst medical school in the country?
Doctor, of course.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:08 PM
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12. Exactly! And Obama has often expressed respect for JSM III's service.
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 01:09 PM by Overseas
Usually before he criticizes Bush policies that JSM III has supported, Obama prefaces those remarks with an expression of thanks for his military service.

The corporate media are really desperate for something to defend their preferred candidate, JSM III. So they are susceptible to pre-planned Republican smear campaigns like this one. I'm sure this one has been ready to go for months. I imagine they thought-- The moment someone with authority criticizes JSM III's capacity to be Commander in Chief, let's pretend he made no expression of respect for his service. Let's pretend it was all an unfair critique and try to get days of outrage going.

And it seems to be working quite well for them.
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