Have You Learned NOTHING? This is the USA; not the USD!

Contrary to popular opinion, we do not live in the United States of Democrats. We live in the United States of America, although you wouldn't know it from DU lately.

"The middle is enabling Bush"
"Gore and Kerry undermined themselves by running to the middle"
"Obama Appeaser"
"Life Long Progressive Liberal. I Can Choose To Not Vote In The Election Obama has just given me the reason to do so."

Are you guys freaking kidding me? The reason we got into this mess, well aside from a stolen election, was the inability to compromise in the first place.

Clinton did it when he got into office; which is the real reason why they went after him, and then Dubya did it after him.

I hate to break it to you, but the majority of this country lies somewhere in the "middle." Most people are not staunch democrats or neo-con republicans.

As TRUE president is one that is for the ENTIRE country, not just half of it. Have you learned NOTHING these last 7 1/2 years? Did the Bush fiasco somehow slip your minds?

Oh, I know. You want revenge. Bush fucked us over, and now it's time for the Dems to fuck over the republicans. Gotta go get even, right?

What. The. Fuck.

Grow up. Try learning from previous mistakes; just because they weren't "your" mistakes doesn't mean you can't learn from them. This country is where it is at because some jack ass sitting in the white house decided to fuck all the people who didn't vote for him.

And of course we have all the people whining about FISA. Well, go ahead and whine. I was pissed off too at first, until I realized what was really happening. Maybe you should enlighten yourselves and STOP listening the the MSM that you hated so much during the primary season.

Do you think their motives have changed JUST because it's Obama/McCain now? Fuck No! If anything they are going to work even harder to get you to vote for McChimp.

THINK FOR YOURSELF!

There is a HUGE difference between a "flip flop" and a "compromise," whether you choose to see it or not. All your grand standing does is make you look like the same type of people we have had in power for the better part of the 2000's.

It's sad, really. So many have learned so little.

Actually, there are no "middle of the road", "objective" or "independent" websites. We're pissed off Democrats, speaking our minds. There are enough people out there who claim to be "middle of the road".

This is still one country and two wrongs STILL do not make a right.

Who is wrong, exactly?

Not compromising... Ignoring ANYTHING they say...

It's not about you. It's not about me. It's about the ENTIRE country.

right? I call Bullshit on your statements- if you want a Republican lite, you might as well vote for the real product. The Republicans never get elected to ;represent the whole country'- they only push their own right-wing agendas and are very good at not compromising at anything and do not try to hide it or are apologetic about it. Yet people like you keep pushing the point that the Democrats need to be more like Republicans to cater to the middle. Why not give people a real choice, instead of giving them right, and right-lite. If Repablicans can run by catering to one half of the country only,so can the Democrats.

If you want change, you first need to change the attitudes of people and their perspectives on issues. the outcome of the FISA bill may not have changed for example had Obama come out against. But the damage is that the image is reinforced that reasonable politicians do not oppose that kind of policy, and that such a position would be one of the fringe extremist left- it makes the general public feel that reasonable policy is right wing policy, and that the left-wing position is an extremist one that no mainstream politician would ever hold.

And this goes on and on and on, until the country and its people and its general attitude shifts further and further to the right, with the Republicans having no shame in what they do and being true to their policies, and the Democrats having to 'compromise' and move the 'center' because of people like you. Today we have to do it to win the presidential elections, then it will be another election, then it will be relection, then so as not to hurt the chances of the next Democratic candidate, and so on and so forth. Tell me, in your view, when do Democrats ever take a principled stance?

Here's the reality. Democrats don't loose because they don't compromise enough. They lose because they seem as unprincipled, weak politicians, with no hard positions on anything, willing to say anything to get elected, while the Republicans are seen as firm and principled. unless the Democrats stop pandering to the so 'called' center, they'll never win any elections, and they certainly won't win mine. let Obama take us for granted at his own peril.

Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't. Just look at who we are about to elect president.

what it is they are "firm and principled" about? If they are firm and principled about making money for military contractors or minimizing individual rights as much as they possibly can, why is that better than someone willing to compromise?

If it's "weak" to compromise, then there will be far more conflict; or where there is conflict, nothing can be settled.

And not everyone here is a Democrat. There are Green Party members here. And others who are so disgusted with the centrist compromises of the Democratic party - and the pandering to big business that comes from the DLC, that they would truly withhold their votes in protest, or to say "you don't own me".

You don't have to like it, but you need to understand it... or else you'll beat your head against a wall.

Pelosi took a huge beating around here when she didn't deliver on her "first 100 days" agenda. This is a safe harbor for the disgruntled and disenfranchised. And those with high expectations, who believe that Republicans should be the only ones who pander to big business and that Democrats will always take the high ground and remain principled supporters of the common man.

Realism and pragmatism aren't always well accepted here.

Welcome to DU.