VoteVets and Me: We've Got General Clark's Back!

Please sign and pass on!

NOT THIS TIME!

him for anything. Its a damned shame he isn't president. No surrender, Wes.

This is an excellent way to keep this out there, without the Obama campaign having to "explain" Wes Clark's comments.

:kick:

We have our own fucking war hero to protect!

And Obama need be the primary recipient of our messages. Being a POW is not reason to select one a president. / If Post traumatic stress disorders skews his thinking it might even disqualify him. Plus, McCain never really made real decisions about strategy. A pilot does not make him a strategist.

but the sick bastards at the McCain camp are now out to get him. Wes Clark is going to need our support on this, and I'm so glad VoteVets has created a way for us to show it.

i'm seriously pissed off at Obama.
I have no choice but support Obama as the nominee, but I gotta say this:
I did not support Clark's decision to support Hillary Clinton but understood his reasons.
But otherwise, I am 1000% deeply and fiercely loyal to Wes Clark, and I got his back.

this is about McCain's service and what it is good for and what it aint.

So yeah.....we should have the General's back.

I'm busy writing now.

Perhaps if folks articulated their feelings on this to the media, we could make the pundits think twice.


Here are contacts for that expressed purpose:

Morning Joe Contact page - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/
Chris Matthews hardball@msnbc.com
Race to the White House contact page http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23598392
Rachel Maddows syndication_info@airamericaradio.com
Keith Olbermann countdown@msnbc.com
Dan Abrams Contact page http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19599749/
(Fill in the "Beat the Press" feedback section in lower right column)

Also:
CNN contact page: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/cnntv/
If you look at the bottom of that page, there is all of the anchor's names. Just click on the name, and it takes you to an individual contact page for that commentator.

FUCK Fox. I can't even start with them.

i'm still pissed off at Obama. He could have handled it better.

That was one of the softest rejections ever in the history of politics. Rightfully so or not, the MSM was getting ready to swiftboat Obama over this 'controversy'. Even MSNBC by 9am was showing stock McCain footage of him as a POW with teaser lines implying that Obama was crapping on McCain's military service. Obama distanced himself just enough to put the controversy to rest but struck a good medium that still keeps Clark alive as a potential V.P.. The Republicans got a taste of Clark as the attack dog and that was good enough for now.

The RW is terrified at the thought of Vice President Clark.

They make a handsome pair.

It's hard for me to be objective... to me it certainly looked like Obama was throwing Clark under the bus. Without, it would seem, bothering to check up on what Clark actually said; he had gone out of his way to call McCain a hero and to honor his service, and only then did he make the obvious point that military service does not in and of itself make someone more worthy of being CIC.

I have lost SO much respect for Obama today. I realize he had to clarify the misinformation that the MSM was spewing, but he did it in a cowardly way--going for soundbites rather than for actual clarification. But I hope that it's my blinders that are keeping me from seeing how this will play to Mr. and Ms. Average Voter.

Still, I would never in a million years even consider voting for McCain, so I'm still hoping for this ticket:

but I thought he'd wait until after the election. I'll still vote for him, but the donations are over until he leans back to the left.

We all have our roles to play in taking back America. Obama, Clark, and us too. I want Obama to become Presidednt and I know Clark spoke the trutgh. At the end of the day it isn't important if I think the Obama campaign has played this one perfectly or poorly so far, I know they are doing what they think they must in order to protect America from 4 more years of what we have had for the last 8 years.

But none of us are on the Presidential ballot. We can organize to support Wes Clark for saying what had to be said by someone. It doesn't have to have anything to do with Obama directly. This is our role to play. This is where we must step forwsard to put the media in it's place and show them we will not allow Democrats to be swiftboated for saying the truth.

Taken in context, General Clark’s comments on Senator McCain are simply a truthful statement.

Being a prisoner of war is not a qualification for being POTUS. I think the question needs to be asked: Who has a longer and more distinguished career?

General Wesley Clark: National Defense Medals & Awards
Defense medals and awards include the
• Joint Meritorious Unit Commendation Ribbon
• Defense Distinguished Service Medal (with 4 Oak Leaf Clusters)
• Distinguished Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Cluster)
• Silver Star Medal
• Legion of Merit (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
• Bronze Star
• The Purple Heart
• Meritorious Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Cluster)
• Army Commendation Medal (with Oak Leaf Cluster)
• Kosovo Campaign Medal
• Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge
• National Defense Service Medal (with Service Star)
• Army Staff Identification Badge
• Viet Nam Service Medal (with 3 Service Stars)
• Combat Infantry Badge
• Parachutist Badge (Airborne)
• Ranger Tab
• The Army Service Ribbon

General Wesley Clark: International Awards and Honors
International awards and honors include the
• Honorary Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (United Kingdom);
• Commander of the Legion of Honor (France);
• Grand Cross of the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany;
• Knight Grand Cross in the Order of Orange-Nassau, with Swords (Netherlands);
• Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Italy;
• Grand Cross of the Medal of Military Merit (Portugal);
• The Commander's Cross with Star of the Order of Merit of Republic of Poland;
• Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg;
• Grand Medal of Military Merit (White Band) (Spain);
• The Grand Cordon of the Order of Leopold (Belgium);
• Cross of Merit of the Minister of Defense First Class (Czech Republic);
• Order of Merit of the Hungarian Republic;
• Commander's Cross, The Silver Order of Freedom of the Republic of Slovenia;
• Madarski Konnik Medal, Order of the Madara Horseman, First Class with Swords First Class with Swords (Bulgaria);
• Commemorative Medal of the Minister of Defense of the Slovak Republic First Class (Slovakia);
• First Class Order of Lithuanian Grand Duke Gediminas (Lithuania);
• Order of the Cross of the Eagle (Estonia);
• The Skanderbeg Medal (Albania);
• Order of Merit of Morocco;
• Order of Merit of Argentina;
• Grade of Prince Branimir with Ribbon and Star (Croatia) and
• The Meritorious Service Cross of Canada.

John McCain

McCain was awarded a Silver Star Medal, Navy Commendation Medal, Legion of Merit with a combat "V" and one gold star, a Distinguished Flying Cross and a Bronze Star Medal with a combat "V" and two gold stars.

"As the friendly force maneuvered through the treacherous region, it was suddenly subjected to an intense small arms fire from a well-concealed insurgent element. Although painfully wounded in the initial volley, Captain Clark immediately directed his men on a counter-assault of the enemy positions. With complete disregard for his personal safety, Captain Clark remained with his unit until the reactionary force arrived and the situation was well-in-hand. His courageous initiative and exemplary professionalism significantly contributed to the successful outcome of the engagement. Captain Clark's unquestionable valor in close combat against a hostile force is in keeping with the finest traditions of the military service and reflects great credit upon himself, the 1st Infantry Division, and the United States Army."

-From the Award of the Silver Star, as presented to Capt. Clark after he was wounded in battle in Vietnam, February 26, 1970

http://securingamerica.com/highlights

compared to this one
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan08/mccain_military_record.htm

The stuff on McCain, though, could be dicey. Consider the source. I can't stand McCain but the US Veteran Dispatch is put out by that miserable shit Ted Sampley who was also involved in smearing John Kerry and Barack Obama.

Again, though, thanks for the info on Clark.

This is the Swiftboating of General Clark.

HI HOW ARE YA?????

that horrible scumbag Rich Sanchez at CCN who said that Clark was Swiftboating General Clark, was imported from fox news in Florida.

faux fox=CCN

Swiftboating is defined as malicious unfair attacks on someones patriotism and courage. No one has shown greater patriotism and courage to America than Wesley Clark, and he showed it again yesterday by giving honest answers to direct questions. So of course now the claim is that Wes Clark is a swiftboater, and his honor is called into question even though Clark never accused John McCain of anything dishonorable and instead called him a hero.

Yup, that's the FOX playbook alright.

Tom, the are Swiftboating General Clark. It is wrong, and would say sinful what is going on.

If I hear it again, I'll post the words, but its mostly, "Gen. Clark made a remark, Sen. Obama avoided commenting."

Thanks for the links, getting right on it :thumbsup:

thanks.

It is a pelasure to support this man.

Vote for Clark in this poll

That'll piss them off.

We've got his back ... gladly. As an earlier posted said, this is our job.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/right-on-general-clark-do_b_109977.html

So, in short, General Clark respects John McCain's service, calls him a hero to millions, but notes that experience doesn't make him qualified to be Commander in Chief.

Now, VoteVets.org isn't getting into the presidential race, but I don't see what is so wrong about what General Clark said. And yet, immediately and unsurprisingly, the McCain campaign let loose with a response that expressed shock and dismay. Almost right after that, all of the media was up in arms about how 'wrong' this was. Pretty disappointingly, even progressive surrogates couldn't muster the strength to back up General Clark on TV.

Why?

This wasn't a swift boating, or any low politics. General Clark called McCain a hero to millions for his sacrifice. And, that's a pretty big statement coming from a man who, himself, left Vietnam on a stretcher. But, facts are facts:

• Senator McCain's service and experience, both as a POW and as a Senator apparently hasn't infused him with a dose of good judgment.

• Senator McCain's experience hasn't led him to realize that the war in Iraq and it's continuance has empowered and emboldened Iran, and destabilized the region.

• Senator McCain's experience hasn't caused him to recognize that we're losing ground in Afghanistan, and Osama bin Laden is still out there, plotting.

• Senator McCain's experience didn't lead him to support the 21st Century GI Bill -- he opposed it. It didn't even make him feel the need to get back to Washington to vote on this -- one of the most important veterans' bills this Congress. He twice skipped votes on the GI Bill, to fundraise.

• Senator McCain's experience didn't help him empathize with troops are overstretched and overdeployed, when he voted against the bipartisan Webb-Hagel "Dwell Time Amendment," which would have given troops as much time at home as in the field.

Senator McCain is running on his experience, saying it makes him ready to lead right away. By doing so, he is asking people to look at what that experience taught him. By looking at Senator McCain's positions and votes (or lack of them), it seems that experience has not given him the right judgment on important issues of our time. And, while we should all honor Senator McCain's service, that doesn't mean we should necessarily honor it by putting him in the White House to take up George W. Bush's third term.

So, General Clark is 100 percent absolutely right, and he should not back down. I'd hope that some of the so-called progressives on television back him up on this, and not get intimidated by the media and McCain campaign press releases. These are important times, and deserve a blunt and honest debate.

In some circles, that's just called 'straight talk.'

OBAMA - CLARK 2008

Krashkopf
CPT, USAR
1986 - 1992

Where does McLame get off thinking he is capable of being Commander in Chief? He can't even read a teleprompter.

Glad somebody does!!!

they think is their greatest strength!!!

We need another intelligent candidate to run with Barack this fall.

Fortunately, we Democrats have many qualified candidates to join the ticket.

Clark's military experience makes him an asset to Obama, and his credibility on security matters, makes him an effective hatchet-man for criticizing McSame's hawkish policies.

:patriot:

General Clark is the real thing. This vet stands with him.

I do not agree with the comment about emboldening Iran and wish you had not thrown that into the petition.

Iran is responding as any country would when its next door neighbor is invaded by an imperialist war machine that has called it a member of the Axis of Evil.

My opinion is that we haven't emboldened them so much as provoked them.

Otherwise, thanks for helping us to show our support for General Clark.


Signed,

A Vietnam vet

To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
- Abraham Lincoln
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"Survivor"? - you bet. Hero? - by what standards??? Sure it's dangerous to fly a military plane into an enemy stronghold. Alot of guys/gals have and never came back. Why aren't THEY heros and not just casualties??? McCain had nothing to do with ending the war which saw him sit out a good portion of it in the Hanoi Hilton. That and his military "bloodline" deosn't make him automatically qualified for CIC. It just does not.

I hope more folks of Clark's stature and experience do MORE of this "straight talking"!

They'll come forward in time, hopefully when Iran noise gets even more public, and show support for No Drama Obama.

is the kind of leader who inspires without blowing smoke up your ass.
I'd follow Wes to the Ninth Ring of the Ninth Circle if he said that was the way to success.

His comments were factual and not over the line. I hope Obama's comments were coordinated, but still, he didn't mention McCain's torture and I can only assume Obama was saying that, when Clark didn't mention torture, as saying, everything else is fair ground - otherwise, I disagree with Obama on this...

Keep telling the truth, Wesley! We need Obama, not McSame!


New Obama stickers weekly!
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OD on Handsome.

But what a way to go!

LOL! Sigh...

Vietnam family member
My Hubby is signing too.

They didn't scream about the swift boat liars dissing John Kerry or other Democratic vets being slandered. What Wes Clark said about McCain showed no disrespect, but was an honest description of the fact that getting taken prisoner does not give one presidential or executive experience.

I cannot believe the shrieking going on...he lit a firestorm...people only heard what they wanted to hear...not what Clark actually said...wb

I don't think that service in the military should be a litmus test for serving as CINC.

I served, been there and done that. I don't think those I served with are any more/less qualified than those who did not serve. :dem:

Kicked and Reccomended

and e-mailed it to all. It's at 16048 now, keep it going.

Signed.

We're behind you Wes!!!

Thanks, FLDem5

Clark exercised leadership for speaking the truth!

He takes the initiative, when others sit down or retreat.



Design by MA3 at CCN

Not bad for one dqay, but we have to keep this rolling. We need to send this petition link to as many people who value truth and integrity as we can.

If we blow the media over with our anger over this, they will be forced to cover the controversy they caused with their false spin rather than continuing to push their lies about wes Clark and John McCain.

Thanks for the link. It's a shame that Clark has been badmouthed for saying nothing but the truth.

Not too long ago I checked and there were over 17,000 signers listed on this petition. Now my screen shows 151 signers. Is this just a glitch or was the site hacked?

KICK for General Clark! A true patriot and hero if ever there was one!!!

So his criticism stands.

and signed the petition.

thanks for posting.

Kudos to Gen. Clark! :patriot:

When I went to bed last night the site must have gotten overloaded or something. I'm glad this is going so well for the General.

I wasn't too happy with some of the comments Clark made against Obama during the primaries, but all is forgiven. I support him 100%!!!!

and ...uhhhh....n/t

This was ill advised and I wonder if it might affect his chances to be VP.

the VP has always been the 'loose cannon attack dog' in the election.

Obama shat all over Clark for merely stating the obvious in support of Obama's cause, I wouldn't blame Clark one bit if he gave Obama the finger in response to an invite to join the ticket.

K&R to this thread.

Forwarded this to vet spouse.

Tired Old Cynic

What we need many more, supporting a great man who simply told the truth... :kick: