Flame me if you must, but I do not think that Barack Obama is responsible for the destruction of...

JVS

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Mon Jun-30-08 01:16 PM
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Flame me if you must, but I do not think that Barack Obama is responsible for the destruction of...

Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 01:17 PM by JVS

Democracy. I think such a claim is the worst kind of overblown rhetoric against our nominee.

Furthermore, anyone who is upset that FISA's telecom immunity allegedly destroys the fourth amendment should realize that if their supposition is correct then the fourth amendment has been dead for several years already.

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BridgeTheGap

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Mon Jun-30-08 01:18 PM
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1. Yeah, the drug war pretty much did in the 4th amendment when SCOTA

allowed seizures of property without due process.

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Captain Hilts

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Mon Jun-30-08 04:50 PM
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5. No one cares about that. nt

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BridgeTheGap

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Tue Jul-01-08 10:27 AM
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6. I know plenty of peole who "care" about it. Just not organized enough to do much about it. n.t

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atreides1

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Mon Jun-30-08 01:18 PM
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2. Maybe the 4th Amendment has been dead for years

And just like Lenin they have finally decided to bury it!

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Mon Jun-30-08 01:21 PM
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3. All rights have been dead for years. The ones we still hold we do so only by permission

because the government hasn't bothered to take them yet.

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mix

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Mon Jun-30-08 01:44 PM
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4. Of course he isn't

Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 01:44 PM by mix

but if he supports FISA and endless wars in the Middle East, he will then bear part of the responsibility.

And if the fourth amendment is indeed dead, then he has an obligation to return our country to the rule of law, not make matters worse by allowing the government undue search and seizure.

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