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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 02:09 PM
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Racism Hidden in Gallup Religious Poll
Edited on Tue Jul-08-08 02:12 PM by berni_mccoy
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108688/Religious-Intensity-Predicts-Support-McCain.aspx

Gallup just released a poll about Religion in this Presidential Election. Except it isn't really about religion. Take a look at their misleading headline:

"Religious Intensity Predicts Support for McCain"

But, in very fine print, underneath the headline:

"Hispanic Catholics and black Protestants provide notable exceptions"

That would be fine, except that most of the polls that aren't talking about Hispanic and African Americans are talking about whites.

Here are the polls, in order as they are presented in the article. The questions are always the same: "Is religion important in your life?" and "Who do you support in the presidential election?":


Whites, Hispanics and African Americans, Both Christian and Catholics
Religion is important: O: 40% Mc: 50%
Religion is NOT important: O: 55% Mc: 36%

Non-hispanic whites (NO Catholics)
Religion is important: O: 27% Mc: 63%
Religion is NOT important: O: 45% Mc: 46%

Non-hispanic white Catholics
Religion is important: O: 37% Mc: 53%
Religion is NOT important: O: 47% Mc: 45%

White Hispanic Catholics (note: what is a white hispanic?)
Religion is important: O: 57% Mc: 31%
Religion is NOT important: O: 63% Mc: 30%

African American non-Catholic Christians
Religion is important: O: 90% Mc: 4%
Religion is NOT important: O: 92% Mc: 4%

Jewish Americans (note: only 39% of American Jews say religion is important)
Religion is important: O: 45% Mc: 45%
Religion is NOT important: O: 68% Mc: 26%

Non-Christian/non-Jewish religion (note: no race identified)
Religion is important: O: 60% Mc: 30%
Religion is NOT important: O: 68% Mc: 23%

Non-religious (note: 12% of Americans)
Religion is important: O: 61% Mc: 28%
Religion is NOT important: O: 65% Mc: 26%


How does Gallup summarize this? "It has been well established from an analysis of previous survey data that certain groups of highly religious Christians -- usually defined as "evangelicals" -- are reliably Republican in their presidential vote preferences"

Well, that is very revealing. The problem is that they do not reveal the numbers or percentages of religion is important vs. religion is not important.

And Gallup chooses its words carefully: "certain groups of highly religious Christians" and "evangelicals". Well, Evangelicals make up only 0.5% of the population.

Is anyone else reading "certain groups of highly religious Christians" as code for "racists"?




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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 02:21 PM
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1. White Hispanics ...

White Hispanic Catholics (note: what is a white hispanic?)


I believe they may be talking about those from Spain OR those from Cuba & other Latin American countries who have more Spanish background than native (Indian) or African.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 02:52 PM
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5. A white hispanic is a white person who from Spanish-speaking latin America, or
a white person who is descended from some one who from Spanish-speaking Latin America.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 02:25 PM
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2. That's been true for years
It's a shame people don't dig deeper into polls in various regions of the country. It's very clear that white religious people, mostly men, don't vote for Democrats. The Democrats are the party of "everybody else", women, gays, aa's, latinos, native americans, environmentalists, social reformers, etc etc. That's why comments that refer to someone only winning due to a particular group are so incendiary, as if it only matters if you win with white males.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 02:41 PM
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3. I love that last category.... Non-religious who view religion as important... 61-28...

Who the fuck are these "non-religious" people who view religion as important?


:rofl:
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 02:48 PM
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4. Me
Edited on Tue Jul-08-08 02:50 PM by adoraz
Religious groups are great for the poor and other charities. I'm not really religious (though born a Catholic), but I support Churches because they do a whole lot of good.

The truth is, a big percentage of people wouldn't make weekly contributions to charities if they didn't go to Church every week.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 03:25 PM
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6. Then you are pro-charity and selflessness... NOT pro-religion....
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 02:59 PM
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9. a great deal of charity comes directly from religion
Edited on Wed Jul-09-08 03:02 PM by adoraz
without Churches, I can guarantee you that many people would donate far less than they currently do.

That's the bottom line.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 10:01 PM
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7. My wife.
She agrees with the values and sense of ethics that the religious folk she's known to a greater extent. She's an atheist, but overall has concluded that she prefers to be around religious people than other atheists.

Overall, she finds them less self-righteous.

Since I was the religious one, she's been hounding me to resume going to church, and to take our kid with me.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 01:10 AM
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8. Me.
I consider myself non-religious in the sense that my religion isn't anybody's damn business and I sure as HELL don't want to hear politicians go on and on about being "called to God" or "doing God's work' or "making prayerful decisions."

In that way, I find religion important.
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